When Defensive Tactics Become "Offensive"

James Mc

To all inexperienced CPO's or those awaiting their break,

We're going of kilter on this thread however i address this to the above mentioned.

Keep your chins up & dont lose heart, yes it is a swamped curcuit at the moment, take it as a challange.

Some people go on about not being seen or working with inexperienced CPO's.....guess what, we were all the same at one time or another.

It was the training that turned us into CPO's, and no doubt we have embarrassing moments from our careers that still make us laugh at ourselves (or costs you a round at the bar), i would suggest everyone has these, i know i have!

Just keep going, take on board the advice from people you speak to, you meet or work with.

You do start at the bottom, but from there you make your name (it also very easy to lose it as well) and you will be suprised that the companies start calling you about jobs, they may not be PES or SAP, it may be RST....but its a start & your on the ladder, its then up to you to continue with your training, its not a cheap industry to work in, with travelling expences to interviews, buying suits, shoes, shirts, ties, earpieces, laptops, mobiles, continuing your personal career development, learning languages & holding down jobs, if you got them, supporting famillies.

It's a hard industry to be in, which is constantly growing & changing, you have to as well if you want to do well

James Mc

RMPUSA

Great debate,

As you may know lobbying (and the myriad of lobby groups) here in the US, has long been apart of the norm if you want to bring about legislative/political change.
With this in mind, it is clear to me that the formation of a UK security lobby group be discussed, when you meet later this year.
So now would be the time to engage with, and gather support from, security leaders, politicians and a good legal team.

If my memory serves me well, there is a Member of Parliament who is an honorary Rmp Col.

Rich H

RMPUSA,

Please do tell! PM me if can.

Rgds,
Rich H

jmaccauley

By the way, since we have gotten into an area that I am familiar with (although the country is different), I would like to point out that minimum standards nearly everywhere are based on the lowest common denominator. Mainly, this is a revenue generated industry. The governing bodies profit on certification and the employers provide a little liability protection for their clients by hiring certified agents/operators. That being said, the licensing is merely a basic requirement. Hopefully, those of you with influence can make skill-based competency more realistic.

2PAC

Thanks to all for a very interesting and informative thread. I can't say I'm overly surprised by what I've read in relation to how the regulation of the industry has apparently been taken advantage of in some respects. Ultimately it rests with individual to make the right choices of further specialist courses to ensure his own personal and professional development.

Scab

Hi Rich,

I'd be happy to grab a brew with you. I am wrapped up for a few weeks but lets touch bases by PM and sort something.

Couple of points I'd like to put to you here carrying on with what's being said:

APR you and I agree on totally; my apologies if I gave the wrong impression on that.

As I recall, it was a Captain from Longmoor in some way declined involvement.

The commercial point I am torn on; the influences in the educational requirements is what the companies and individuals present were putting into the NOS. Since CP is hardly a black art its fairly straightforward. And the reason for having many companies and individuals represented was to ensure that no one biased methodology got to the forefront and had biggest influence which could impact with a commercial advantage.

Looking at it; it would have been more commercially beneficial to include EVERYTHING and push hard for everything as to keep the length of the courses as long as possible.

Physical fitness I know was a big part of some courses prior to licensing. Not all. However realistically how fit can you get a fat knacker civvy with aspirations of walking up a red carpet on Britneys shoulder in four - or now; two weeks?

Within the military (one would hope!) theres a good standard of fitness to build upon in soldiers attending such courses; within UKSF that would go without saying. Civvy context I personally don't see the point personally. They can attend the course knowing up front they need to be fit and that if a lack of fitness hinders their progress then they are aware that they are jeapardising their chances of a pass. This falls flat on its face however since the overwhelming majority of training providers these days rely on the exam to determine a students passing; not how it should be and indeed not how it is required on paper.

On the whole I completely agree that licensing CP was not only FUBAR, FUBIES even because of the limitations incurred by the pink, fluffy, PC idiotic approach by the education system and the sia.

What could the expert and steering groups do about their work being ruined? Same thing you could do on the review panel you sat. Nothing. The SIA know better than all of us and would not listen to any protests, any complaints, or any pleas. Their decision was final.

Rich H

PM sent.



Rich H

jmaccauley

OK folks, I wrote an article that was a play on words, as well as some to present some training points. Can we get back to that, or have we run our course on this topic?

I know this a sore spot in the UK licensing arena, but I was trying to be a little more general.Interesting thoughts though.

Jerry

Scab

Generally I believe the best defence is a good offence; though that often falls foul of UK laws in this context.

Get over to CA and we can discuss it over a brew

VICTORMACE

Personally I think that if anyone in any profession should it be DS, CPO's or SG, plumbers, brick layers or painters aim for only a minimum set of standards and their regulating body only set a minimum standard then that profession is doomed.