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mts

Thanks for your feedback Shakes, all valuable.

I still disagree, we obviously work differently and according to different OPSEC standards. No harm done, it's a free world.

Again, i will repeat my point as it may have been unclear, we do not need to make is easier for them.

Thank you for enlightening me on how hostiles collect information, i really did not know this and when next i am teaching, i will be sure to use your amazon link.

Post what you want mate, i really don't mind. You will not find my material on the open web. As i said in my previous post, heed the advice or not, it's totally upto you.

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mts

Not sure i understood that correctly, please elaborate.


100% correct, they are certainly not stupid and that is why we need to control what we can to keep information out of their hands. I am not pulling this out of my rear end :-), this is my field of expertise, not an opinion i have formed, but an educated and proven one. BTW, i do run courses and seminars on this exact topic....

I gotta go.

Have a good one, Shakes, Yoda, good discussion.

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yoda

Not sure i understood that correctly, please elaborate.

Maybe i have been ill informed and you can correct me, but i was under the impression that whilst under the british certain party took drastic action (resorting to terror tactics), to this the eventual birth of the state of Israel.

With ref to your point yes i can see what you mean and understand your point of view, all that i'm saying is that the forms that were published are all ready out in the open on all sorts of other sites.

Ref your educated opinion educated and proven one, not saying it's not. Just saying that if they really want to gfet you they will, regardless of how thight your security is, it's been proven in Israel. When the president was shot not by a palestinean but from a Jew, they were looking at the wrong side.

Shit happens, thats all mate.

shakespeare

Mts,

Thats what forums are about after all, in this case I choose not to heed your advice. Constructive Criticism is king.

ta ta.

Shakes

mts

Whatever keep you happy mate, whatever keeps you happy.

Kudos on a mature attitude.

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mts

Somewhat misinformed Yoda. There were Jewish groups labeled by the British as terror groups due to the methods they used, but they were not religious fundamentalists at all and indeed held the price of life very highly unlike the religious fundamentalists we are facing today. Them kicking the Brits out of Palestine was not what led to birth of Israel, it simply opened the pathway as the British at the time were limiting Jewish refugees from Europe to 5000 per month and whilst confiscating weapons from the Jews were supplying the Arabs. I agree that getting the Brits out opened the way for the creation of the State. Just for the record i am a MBE :-)

Regarding the Rabin murder, you are completely mistaken. There were intel alerts about a right wing plot and there was a known danger due to the right wing Jews that were vehemently opposed to the Oslo peace accords. The screw ups here where in several realms from the physical security of the event, to the CP work of the agents and to the fact that the assasin had "tested" the security at 3 previous events were Rabin was and this information was not disseminated to all the CP teams. At this point, all CPO's should have had known what the "tester" looked like and recognized him in the "sterile area" but they didn't. I cannot go into more details out here, but as you see it is really far from being as simple as you describe.

As a result of the Rabin mess, the methodologies have been completely revamped and this is a strong basis for what we teach.

And finally, i will reiterate, we should not help them, even if they can find it elsewhere, we should not be the ones to supply it.



Have a good one

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yoda

Hi mts,

I shall stop know, it get the impression that you are stuck into your views and those are set in concrete.

1. I did not say that they were fundamentalist's, but that they resorted to terror tactics!

2. I have read and talk to people about the Rabin issue and it was just a brush over, i was not going into details, and yes i was aware that due to what happen S.O.P's were re-viewed and changed.

3. My point was that people will resort to whatever means they feel are appropriate to achieve there aims, thats all.

4. If you claim to be an expert in these field then surely you are awre that for the right amount of money you will get whatever information, equipment, etc. that you want.

And finally i did mention that i could see your point of view, you being a MBE does not mean anything to me.

Take care mts and stay safe

mts

Yoda, your posts above are spot on.(except for the stuck in my ways bit :-) )

Stay safe too. I'm no expert still learning but do have some tidbits to share.

I'm certainly not going to get wound up on a forum mate.

Have a good one. I wish you only luck and good fortune.

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yoda

Hi mts,

You never know we might meet one day and have a proper chat, and ref stuck in your ways, it was not personnal ok mate.

Take care

mts

Of course, understood, and i look forward to it.

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