Unarmed combat- CQC for Close protection Officers

reaper · 14-11-2008, 07:30 PM

thought of doing karate as a hand to hand combat skill but have tried defendo on a day training was very impressed by the basic fighting tecniques hands on with least amount of effort although fitness is essential. hopefully attending the full course in jan 09 in london.

80085 · 14-11-2008, 07:31 PM

Hi Mickblack,

I am in agreement with the above.

I would also add speed in between tactic and technique. If you cant think on your feet and haven't got the speed for the tactical move the technique will fail.

All will come with continuous training, eventually all the bits of the jigsaw will come together to make, whatever martial art you are practising, flow seemlessly. It is no good having one without the other, or it will fail.

Regards

Lildev666

hippy · 14-11-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk

Of course hand to hand combat or what is now called conflict management should be part of any security guard, bodyguard, psd , police mans training!
But people forget that its all about observe&and intervene and by that i mean avoid!!! a good operative avoid a attack by diffrent messures such as dont go into crowds, avoid situations and be aware.

If it does happend nr 2 is escape..get out! with the client under protective ways.
3 CONFRONT when failing 1 and 2..
Here is when you must have some reasonable good skills in fighting..
And I dont mean a roundkick in someones head..use all kind of dirty tricks!

To have a reasonable fit body and be trained in dirty fighting..since that helps you more from the so called street fights that do occur.

I had guys on our courses with strong martial art skills, the good thing is that they are fit and can fight! However the course we tell them to forget what they know!

hawk

Eek... Hawk.. No chap.. Conflict Management is not hand to hand combat, but a series of verbal and mental stratagems intended to defuse a situation... I'm a big believer in it (not as big as the sia who appear to believe it will work in every situation... Must ask one of them on day what approach he/she would try with a 'juiced up' bandit in darkest Brazil)...

And yes I'm a firm advocate of some form of Physical Intervention training, but it needs to be practical.... I am not against the angry white pyjama brigade, but these more traditional arts are not always the most ideal answer.....

annie · 14-11-2008, 07:40 PM

angry white pjyama brigade hahaha thats funny

senseistuart · 14-11-2008, 07:44 PM

yea true, very good points. keep it simple to an extent.

80085 · 14-11-2008, 07:46 PM

Ahh Hippy,

Mmm are you talking about the stick weilding bandits in Brazil, the kali ones??? or the knives, or the guns.

Brazilian stick fighting - fantastic! They can adapt to most weapons fantastic with macheti's and all sorts and its good to watch - sorry im not sick honest. An admission I am not that good at it, but I do enjoy practising the martial art.

They are very quick and hit you at speed hard, that is not just the stick ouch!

Regards

hippy · 14-11-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by annie

angry white pjyama brigade hahaha thats funny

Thankee' annie, but I must confess, its not my line.. "Angry White Pjyamas" is actualy a very good book. Authors name escapes me, but it tells about his year long course at the Judo school of the Tokyo Riot Police... An incrediblly harsh course... Can you imagine doing full on (not the watered down version we are used to) all day every day....

The injuries the students picked up and the drop out rate is fairly mind boggling...

annie · 14-11-2008, 07:51 PM

yes the chaffing from a year in pj's must be a right bugger

hippy · 14-11-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by annie

yes the chaffing from a year in pj's must be a right bugger

Stop it... my sides hurt.....

senseistuart · 14-11-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hippy

Eek... Hawk.. No chap.. Conflict Management is not hand to hand combat, but a series of verbal and mental stratagems intended to defuse a situation... I'm a big believer in it (not as big as the SIA who appear to believe it will work in every situation... Must ask one of them on day what approach he/she would try with a 'juiced up' bandit in darkest Brazil)...

And yes I'm a firm advocate of some form of Physical Intervention training, but it needs to be practical.... I am not against the angry white pyjama brigade, but these more traditional arts are not always the most ideal answer.....

Traditional martial arts is very structured yes depends on whice one and how you train in it.

Martial arts with reality based training would be a must. like adrenaline flowing and concentrated aggression while thinking understress.

where and when

This is importent, is it at venue or residance of your principle at 3 am in the morning. who are you bodyguarding high profile celeb or low profile business man.

Fall back on constituency plans, but taken out the threat is importent too

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