PSD On Large UK Based Team

[tapmaster]

just a question of reference. how does a person apply for a position on some of the large security teams based in the UK i.e. the arabs, russians etc. Previously i worked at a place where they only hired English Men from the Royal Military Police. Are there opportunities available for non english men with previous experience not from the Rmp on large teams?

Before someone attacks me here i have the highest respect for the RMP and have met some very fine men from there. It is obvious that each client has their preference for which type PSD/CP officers he/she wants to hire.

[Rich H]

The underlining 'phenomena or tone' that your question poses is one that is common with many. If I may be blunt, who you work for bears no relation to the job whatsoever except for your own personal gratification.

CP is CP is CP

A businessman who cannot be 'Googled', who has a direct threat against him produces a protection challenge and a job with all the associated 'hairs on the neck' that quite frankly, in many ops with the more media attention, are not present. If its the limelight you're after then aim your sights on the celebrity market as opposed to the 'higher echelon' corporate CP world. I question your aspirations in wanting to join a large team on someone well known. If you're keen on providing a professional security service then widen your angle of scope. If all you want are flashing bulbs in your eyes for the purposes of 'OK' or 'Hello' then you need to reassess the stability of your mind in this profession. If your reasons of wishing to join a large professioanl team is to surround yourself by good people, to learn and be the best you can be then work hard.

There is no 'special way' of applying for these positions. This is a cut throat world. If you're not 'cutting it' on your CV you won't be picked. These are the facts.

[tapmaster]

My friend you have totally read something in the message that is not there. you are totally out of line with your assumptions. I have no desire personally for any gratification what so ever i'm 43 years old and not a kid.

The tone of my question was simple. Is there a market for CP officers other than RMP? Now how you can read something into that then i don't know.

Obviously you want someone to argue with or throw around your WEIGHT and try to insult.

[tapmaster]

My friend save your reply as i am resigning from this board. I don't need the hassle from someone who can't be bothered to read what i posted.

[Rich H]

Tapmaster,

I am indeed sorry you took my reply personally but your reaction typifies what would be the reaction of many. I meet many men and women who expect to land that one time job of a life time at the snap of their fingers. Some even expect it as if it was their given right and some become frustrated, like you, if they don't. In order to ‘land that one time job’, you will need experience and stacks of it. This does not happen overnight. Absolute commitment to every task should be a character trait when employed in the CP role, however, suffices to say, this is a mere personal opinion as opposed to what happens in reality.

You mention your age as if this is to give your purpose some 'clout'. "I'm older than alot of the guys on the street, I should be given some respect and should jump the que when it comes to jobs". Age does indeed play a serious part in this line of work but I fear that your attitude to some hard facts, as displayed in your second post, leaves much to be desired and does not display maturity as your age SHOULD suggest. I was in fact having lunch and not sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for such an intelligent response. I make no apologies for my bluntness. This is not a game but a serious profession and a serious business and with all its associated applications should be given the focused deference it most rightly deserves.

I am not one to subscribe to 'talking sweet' or political correctness when it comes to discussing this occupation. This is the lay of the land. These are the facts. Your initial question posed was not "Is there a market for CP officers other than RMP?". As can clearly be seen above, quite a difference from,"How does a person apply for a position on some of the large security teams based in the UK i.e. the arabs, russians etc.".

CP involves a great deal more than tactics and procedures. It involves a level headed individual who is able to communicate in a diplomatic and polite way.

Maybe you should reconsider this as your line of work as well as your attitude?

It is a hard fact to grasp. Those with CP experience in RMP, R & DPD or 22 will naturally work the better jobs. This is FACT. It is a fact for a reason. Now, please do not read this the wrong way. They have their muppets, more than others, and I have come across some excellent well motivated, dedicated and professional civilian operators but this is not the point. I stated that in order to influence your employment prospects then you need to work hard. There is no special way in applying for a position on one of the 'larger teams'. It is a close network, to some extent, a 'closed network'.

The question you need to ask yourself is, "Why do I want to work in a large team?"


Rich H

[Kiwi PSD]

Rich H,

Sorry Bro I side with Tapmaster, this forum is about asking questions regardless of who you are & your experience, people are here looking for answers / direction not judgement based on your one-sided perception.....Chill out bro.......if you can help out DO SO...if not offer constructive critisism or advice as to the correct path for Tapmatser. We all know how hard it is to crack the Circuit so ADVISE dont CRITISISE

If you take offense so be it....but my belief is that this forum is to HELP not to hinder.

Cheers Bro & Stay SAFE

Kiwi Psd

[Rich H]

We must agree to disagree then. The direction is indeed based on judgement which in turn is based on experience. Not just experience but it is fact. The answers given in respect to the initial question is work hard and that there remains no 'special application process'.

The rest of my reply is in line with questioning as to the reasons why he wants to join a large team. I am in no doubt whatsoever that truth hurts. CP is a specialist role and one that is not taken as seriously as it should. Bluntness and saying how things are is a realistic approach and I would have been happy to say face to face again what I am writing. Your response is also reflecting a common trait to the thread otherwise you would not have responded in the manner you have. I don't need to 'Chill out' as you put it and I am certainly not your 'bro'.

I am in no way being derogatory and forums like these will inevitably cause much passionate friction. He has still to state his reasons for joining a large team but now he has left with his chip we will never find out. BTW, I won't be on the edge of my seat waiting to find that one out either.

Rich H

[tapmaster]

Thanks mate that is exactly the point that i was trying to raise. I am sure that there are other people here who have the same questions and for what ever reason don't ask them. I have realized my friend not everyone here wishes to help or to offer constructive criticism in any way but to try and be as discouraging and disrespectful as possible.

I can honestly say that if i had known it was this way i would have never joined the web site. I have met alot of GREAT people on here who try to point you in the right direction and offer constructive criticism. At the end of the day we are all want to find work and help point each other in the right direction. We should learn from the mistakes of others and the way we learn is through forums like this.


Thanks for your support

[Kiwi PSD]

Rich H,

Your advise is valued, just not as a put down or a telling off, we strive to gain employment & to perform to a high standard in this industry & if we agree to disagree I respect your position....however if you take umbridge to me calling you a Bro, then if we are not Brothers on the job achieiving the same goal what are we???????? Individuals????

My response is in supprot of an operator looking to others who have experienced situations which others may have not & maybe able to provide answers in a respectful way that may assist in keeping us alive & together, others who have questions will look to those who provide these answers in a respectful manner.

Like Tapmaster I am reluctant to reply to those who have an attitude that does not support a reasonable question requiring a reasonable answer.

Stay SAFE & again Cheers Bro

[Rich H]

Thanks Kiwi,

I fully understand. Maybe my initial reply came over a little too 'face the facts', but I think far too many individuals in this industry need a wake up call to the harsh reality as opposed to quiblling amongst themselves. I wasn't going to bother responding to this thread any further but have just read another one by 'Tapmaster' that also caused friction. If he is an American and wishes to be employed in the UK on a brit professional team then he needs to wake up to the real world and take a civilised approach to proper advise being given.

This occupation requires a certain amount of diplomacy and this is what gains you a good reputation in this industry. If hard facts and truth hurts then either wake up or get out. I understand fully your thought process on this but until people understand this is not a game and start working hard instead of trying to find dreamy short cuts then this industry which we are so passionate will still contain the driss dross we so despise.

Rich H