Unarmed Self Defence

[jmaccauley]

Having to use these skills doesn't mean we failed. It merely means there's one more problem we have to solve. I don't care for the word "fail" frankly. We did fall behind on the loop maybe, but we'll adapt, respond and continue on our way. Today, I'm an optimist!
Jerry

[Heno]

Mr Murphy of Murphys Law fame can, and often does make an appearance regardless of how well prepared we are, so if we do "fail" then we need the skills to deal effectively with the situation, if we were that good, and could prepare for every eventuality, then we wouldn't need hand to hand skills.

But the reality is that we cannot prepare for everything, the lone nut job that has good enough social skills to get close, the angry disgruntled friend of the principle that kicks off with a few drinks....etc etc, there will always be something somewhere that can and will go wrong.

Krav Maga is a tried and tested method, but I've worked doors for years and can tell you that a bang of a bar stool or a sneaky right hook are also tried and tested methods that work VERY well, regardless of what system, whether it be reality based, or whether it has it's roots in the traditional, thousands of years old eastern martial arts sysytems, it's how you train in it that often makes the difference.

I've said it before a few times, but train as you would fight, regardless of what "style" you happen to use, wear street clothes, wear full kit, have a few beers and train drunk (this can throw up a few surprises, in most western countries, this is when most viloence takes place anyway, on a good night out, so train for it!!) train when tired, train without a warm up, after all, you never get a chance to limber up in real life before a fight do you?

Heno

[Scab]

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Originally Posted by cpmad If you want to attend a CP course, ask for the CV's of the instructors. Don't exept the answer it is confidential. Ask for a lesson plan. Make a background check of the infos you get. This is allready the first step of you training. Nobody without proper experiance in CP will be able to give you the needed lessons. regards MAD

I don't know about you mate, but my CV does not go to anyone that asks for it. If someone asks for a CV; who's even to say its a genuine one?

Personally, I would also be reluctant to give away lesson plans to anyone that asks for them. Lest the student walk off and base his own CP course off of them or whatever example. It has been done.

[cpmad]

Thats a valid point, and bring us perfect to the problem. Off course you will not give a full CV and a the full lesson plan with manuals out. But at least you should be able to name your qualifications and the dates when and where you have done your trainings. Should not be to confidential.

The term the course is done or the lessons are given by ex. what ever is a joke itself.

Off course there a lot of serious providers of high qualified trainings, but they are hard to identify.

And off course there is a need for close combat training in the CP trainings, and correct what ever system you train, without sparring you will not get the standart you need. This would be like firearms traning without shooting.

Terms like sweat saves blood, or train hard be prepared for the worst are damn right in our job

But just close combat training will never be enough for a full qualified CPO

[jmaccauley]

Unless CV's are different in the UK, I would have no problem giving mine out. It is different from a resume, but does list your many experiences and training. I would expect at least that much from a school or instructor. Wouldn't most people want to know whether a particular instructor has gained his knowledge from the internet, or watching dvd's? Simply saying 10+ years military, martial arts and law enforcement background tells me little. I know clerks who have done as much.

As for lesson plans, that would be proprietary information and yes, it does get stolen from time to time. However, I wouldn't have a problem giving a basic outline of skill sets or goals.

Example, if a course is advertised as able to "teach me to fear no man or attack," I would be skeptical. If it said I would learn to develop reflexive skills to enhance my survivability, I would want to know where the instructor studied to form those lessons. I wouldn't expect a blueprint.

[kravsystems]

Hello everyone.

I am an IKMF registered Krav Maga instructor. If you want to find a local Krav Maga instructor please take a look at www.krav-maga-uk.com. The IKMF is the most professional KM organisation that I have come across and you get a guarantee that your instructor has been properley assessed.

I run a small self defence consultancy Krav Systems www.krav.co.uk Feel free to contact me via that site if you have any further questions.

If you are looking to learn Krav Maga for Close Protection work make sure you verify that the instructor holds the specific qualifications for teaching close protection KM as it is different from self defence KM. If you are really interested in KM for close protection work I would reccommend contacting th IKMF direct and taking the instructor qualification.

The course will not qualify you to be a CP operator, but it will give you very good knowledge of the physical protocols.

Good luck in your training and if you have any questions please ask.

Steve.

[Scott7820]

If you were paying £1800 for a self defence course being taught ineffective drills then I could understand your point, but it's £1800 for a CP course. Any martial arts training you do on that course is a bonus. If you feel that something you have learnt doesn't work, don't use it, otherwise take it on board.

You must keep in mind that martial arts is not something that can be taught in 2 weeks, therefore anything you learn on a CP course will be the basics.

[VICTORMACE]

Here here Heno !! totally agree. I have studied Judo sine 1965 and while Judo is not the best form of self defence it trains you to be up close and personal, 20 years of door work and people in my face or very close dont annoy me they are in My Space ! but judo is not a form of self defence that can be taught quickly, Krav Maga on the other hand has simple and effective techniques that can be taught quickly, and its up to the individual how they train and use it afterwards in their field of work. My old Judo coach used to exhaust us three times a week before our Judo sessions, 9 mile run, 30 minutes of fast rate skipping and 45 minutes of Circuit training then an hour and a half of Judo I sat down and ask him why ? technique will suffer through exhaustion I said, his answer was but I teach you to perform your best while oxygen deficent and exhausted I guess he was right every single club member went on to be Irish Judo champions and most represented their country. So train to fight in the most extreme conditions it prepares you for most eventualities.

[Heno]

Victormace,

I agree, train hard fight easy, I don't work the doors any more I left the doors last year after I got run over while working. In all the time that I did work, I never once did a nice warm up, did any stretching or bowing and standing face to face with any opponent, most time it was a brawl, something like you'd see the Bash Street Kids from the Beano doing, arms and legs everywhere, afterwards, when the adrenaline has gone and you're knackered, starting to feel the bruises it would kick off again.

You'd be exhausted, tired and sore so that's the way a few of us would train, get knackered down the gym with circuits and then we'd hit the mats, and only the big simple things worked consistantly, we even trained after a few beers, that threw up some surprises as some things you'd think would be second nature just weren't there when needed, it's handy to have a bucket handy for that kind of training to!

Heno

[Manor]

if its of any interest to anyone i recommend getting yourself to your nearest Muay Thai club and doing a bit of training there! ive done Thai Boxing for eleven years now in the uk and thailand.
For anybody that doesnt know and for anybody who hasnt watched van damme in kickboxer muay thai uses fists, legs, knees and elbows making it a little bit different to other martial arts.
the idea behind muay thai is to get in and get the job done quickly taking out your enemy using as much power as possible and believe me there's not many men who can take a perfectly thrown elbow to the head!
I think this may help some of you guys aswell for the conditioning aspect of it aswell, a big part of muay thai is conditioning your whole body to be able to take anything thrown at you, wether its a powerfull shin kick to the body or a punch to the head!
but thai boxing isnt for everybody, its very direct and said to be the most violent of all martial arts, and lets not forget very painful! many times its taken me a few days to recover after a good sparing session!
but i wouldnt take back my years spent in the boxing club its taught me a lot and made me feel confidant enough to deal with most situations thrown at me in this violent day and age we live in!

hope this helps some of you!

Manor