CP Operational Security?

[M4MED]

Sunny,

some good questions there. To add to that. We could simplify it further:

What measures could you take to prevent OPSEC breaches? and
How would you react following it (immediately & long term?)

Stay safe

M4MED

[mts]

Very good and interesting thread.

The bottom line is the more information an adversary has about your operational methods during both routine and emergency, the more control they have over you.

Sure, there is OSINT info available, but we should not make it easier o obtain. Keep in mind that operational methods change and are dynamic so what is "out there" is out there, we cannot reel it in, but we certainly can limit our own ways of working being out there. As someone that has and still does implement red teaming and testing of teams and facilities, i can tell you the more info we have, the easier to circumvent security measures.

OPSEC and PERSEC is not limited to the www, but should be a way of life. Always behave as if someone is watching you or your client. Behaving in a professional and alert manner will disuade an adversary from selecting you or your client/facility as a target.

The same should be done on the www. As correctly mentioned in previous posts, there are things we cannot control, what the client says/tells, what's already posted etc. but we can and should control what WE are putting out there.

In fact, perhaps a "closed" area on the forum for sia badge holders only, would be a good idea, and there tactics can be freely discussed.

Remember, this a a big boys (and girls) profession and big boys (and girls) rules; the price of making a mistake is high.

m

[24/7]

Rich H, good thread mate also a thread where nearly all of us will agree with every thread written. Tactics on CP drills and driving technics have wide coverage in books, video's, etc so this is hard to keep as a closed book. Where as personal information, Vip info, team info,personal technics within your own team and any other information which could compromise your VIP, team, and company this should be kept to opsec.
Also reference the forum part of things, it is interesting to have other views on CP relevant questions and answers other wise the forum may come abit dry, but it's down to the individual to know the limits.

[Rich H]

It's good to see we are all singing off the same song sheet and I thank you all for your personal input.

What would you, however, think of a book that explained 'Reaction to Attack' drills including BG and team responsibilities? Drills that covered vehicle anti-ambush, IBG and embus/ debus reaction to attack options? Do you think that a book, written in an informative way as opposed to finite detail and written in a way from the author's perspective and thoughts on the issue as opposed to explaining what military and government teams actually do? Would this also be acceptable and if not why and what further 'secrets' are being given away?


Rich H

[24/7]

Rich H, sounds like you want to write a book mate? yet again these types of book's have already been written and it does not matter what language they are in alot of things are similar. Also the books are interesting to read from both sides bad and good but do we have to give more things away then already has been given. Technics change over the years so do the books covering them and there are alot of them on the market, so would one more change anything hmmm I dont think so. But personally it's nice to keep it to the need to know guys and girls.

[M4MED]

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Originally Posted by mts Very good and interesting thread. should control what WE are putting out there. In fact, perhaps a "closed" area on the forum for sia badge holders only, would be a good idea, and there tactics can be freely discussed. Remember, this a a big boys (and girls) profession and big boys (and girls) rules; the price of making a mistake is high. m

MTS,

a good post mate and as per mine I agree with everything, apart from one area, but this is only food for thought. How easy is it for anyone to obtain a sia licence? Very. If there is an area of the forum designated only for badge holders to discuss tactics etc, on the premis that it's secure, it wouldn't be hard for a determined person to get qualified, get a licence and access the area (and subsequently, current tactical discussions, which may be sensitive).

As we both agree on, it's out there but we should probably try to minimise the attention drawn to it or it's availability.

Stay safe

M4MED

[yoda]

Hi to all,

Good discussion point, and thank Rich H for posting it. Most of the points have been highlighted on the posts above and i agree with whats been said, also mts and myself have chatted before about this subject on another thread.

The problem you we will always have in the private sector is the resources available to us and the theatre that we are operating in, if you are in London it might just be you the driver and the principle and no back up. If out in the pit totaly different, but the job remains the same, our tactics are similar just changed to suit the enviroment and facilities available.

The more knowledge out in the public forum the easier to access that know how, and yes most of it is out there all ready. So you if feel that writting a book will not make a difference to the information out in the open then go ahead, what is your gut feeling?

About what the client does or say's well that is a problem for every one and at the end of the day they are the ones that pay the wages. You can only do so much, hopefully they see sense and change there habits. Fingers crossed!

The one thing that concerns me in the forum is the amount of people that have no concept about PERSEC (and if that is the case, then there OPSEC must be suspect), people placing there life storie, contact details, etc, etc. The way i look at it is if the client is paying for security then there mut be some one out there that wants to get him, comom sense i would think.
And if that is the case they will try to get you by all means possible, that includes family, friends, etc.

Maybe just me being paranoid, i do wonder.

All the best and another excellent post in the forum.

[mts]

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Originally Posted by M4MED MTS, a good post mate and as per mine I agree with everything, apart from one area, but this is only food for thought. How easy is it for anyone to obtain a sia licence? Very. If there is an area of the forum designated only for badge holders to discuss tactics etc, on the premis that it's secure, it wouldn't be hard for a determined person to get qualified, get a licence and access the area (and subsequently, current tactical discussions, which may be sensitive). As we both agree on, it's out there but we should probably try to minimise the attention drawn to it or it's availability. Stay safe M4MED

If they hold the sia license, they've done the course and know the tactics anyway :-)

...good points though

NO secure information regarding timetables, principles and personal details should be on any forum. My point was a "room" where people can discuss tactics freely BUT i will reiterate, you make a good point.

m

[M4MED]

Agreed mate, totally. The 'room' brings us back to the original point. Doing everything to 'minimise' access to existing info, which this does.

Stay safe

[yoda]

Hi mts,

See you thought process, but if you get the licence it does not mean that you are not a bad guy gathering the info.

To have a secure forum i think that it would be a difficult process, and the only way would be to carry out some form of vetting process. Even then it still not 100%.

All the best.