Wages to fit area of duty

[24/7]

Do we have arguments here when we go for an interview with possible future employers. Sutty brought this topic up before reference livings costs in London, which is a good point.So how does this work for us, is this an argument which we can use against the employer or not, or is the standard reply from HR sorry thats all this position is worth the rest is up to you?

[24/7]

I have a feeling that nobody understands this thread or have I written it wrong

[leauk]

The problem I had with an enquiry was the cost, I required a CP team for a job In london looking after an American client, however when i put a posting on another forum advertising the job and asking for a price no one was open with what they wanted on a daily basis. It would be a good idea to have a guide price somewhere listed with rates to cover UK & Europe as we are not a cp company but Investigations we are unable to quote a client immediatly which in turn could lose us a client.

[hippy]

I think I get where you are coming from 24/7..

And why shouldn't you, during the interview process negociate for fee/salary/expenses/conditions?

When going through the hoops for my current position I certainly held out for more than they initially offered... And I dont think they expected me to do anything else..

Certainly, I when recruiting, would worry if the investigator/cpo/store detective/hotel security supervisor or even uniformed security office didn't at least try and get 'something extra'!!!

[24/7]

Hippy thats what I am talking about mate, I went for a interveiw not so long a go up near London and they were offering the standard this and that no bonuses no nothing. Of course I mentioned about the standard of living, cost's etc for living up near the capital and asked if anything could be done here but no 'standard answer' we hear this often 'but know can do' the position is only worth such amount and I am talking about a permanant position here not a one day or week job.
Of course it could have had something to do with me and my look of shock when they tryed to tell me all this STANDARD THIS AND THAT AND ENGLISH LAW blaa blaa. It sounds bloody hard to be on a good earner in the UK

But should have seen there faces when I told them how much I earn

Any how thanks for answering, and I think I know what you mean about do I own a corner shop, I guess I do write to much.

[24/7]

leauk, again thanks for your reply and I agree with you certain standards of prices should be made but with the understanding the prices can be changed to fit location that one may be able to have a good living standard and not have to turn over every penny.

[leauk]

24/7 the Information I tried to obtain was the daily rate a CP would expect, I then add a % to that which is my cost to the client purely because I still have overheads like Professional Indemnity. This way the CP is getting a rate he has provided. I beleive that any one wanting a CP should as the CP the rate not say this job is only paying this. OK some may get greedy out price. But then they will know by not getting the job.

[hippy]

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Originally Posted by 24/7 when they tryed to tell me all this STANDARD THIS AND THAT AND ENGLISH LAW blaa blaa. It sounds bloody hard to be on a good earner in the UK

Now that sounds like you have been fed a line... As far as I'm aware (and I'm sure someone will shout if I'm wrong) but I will check with HR later, the only restiction to paying people is the minimum wage! Which I'm sure doesn't even come into the equation in this situation.. Although that said, if you are quoting to supply services on a freelance basis (supplying your own steed and armour no doubt) minimum pay isn't even a worry for them, but you...

There is no upper cap set by the govt, except for govt posts!

As for "this position is only worth xx"... Yes obviously as an employer I'm going to have a 'glass ceiling' on any positions wage/package, but I'm not going to offer that in the first place... I'm going to start lower and barter..

I wonder why people hiring cpo's think they can behave in such a way... Is it do you think, due to the unprofessional light the industry is seen in by the business world?

[24/7]

Hippy thats easy to answer mate, to many of us not enough jobs, its a pick and choose for the employer. Those that wish to turn over each penny fine, but I like to enjoy my euros :-)

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Originally Posted by hippy Now that sounds like you have been fed a line... As far as I'm aware (and I'm sure someone will shout if I'm wrong) but I will check with HR later, the only restiction to paying people is the minimum wage! Which I'm sure doesn't even come into the equation in this situation.. Although that said, if you are quoting to supply services on a freelance basis (supplying your own steed and armour no doubt) minimum pay isn't even a worry for them, but you... There is no upper cap set by the govt, except for govt posts! As for "this position is only worth xx"... Yes obviously as an employer I'm going to have a 'glass ceiling' on any positions wage/package, but I'm not going to offer that in the first place... I'm going to start lower and barter.. I wonder why people hiring cpo's think they can behave in such a way... Is it do you think, due to the unprofessional light the industry is seen in by the business world?

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[jmaccauley]

An employer wants the most for the least. Thats his business and most business last following this principle. CP is a commodity. Using that same logic, give him the most for the least, not the standard CP for the least. It's a sales job on both ends. What does he think he wants? What will he actually get? Most of the time when we get beat at this game, it's because we believe we are worth more, but they don't believe they are getting more. Here's a common scenario:

"I need someone to escort me to a meeting with some business competitors. They are trying to take over my interests and the meeting may get testy. I need a bodyguard just in case."

You reply, " you not only need a bodyguard, but someone to vet the other guests and supply you with a list of info on your biggest headaches. I'll provide the ammo if needed and the shield if needed. More importantly, send me in with you as a partner rather than your cp and you'll get more respect and be able to relax a bit while there."

Really not much work on your part, but he thinks he's getting a whole network for the price of one CPO. Now the cost is reasonable.

It's your livelihood, protect it like you protect someone elses.

Jerry