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[Merv]

Hi All
I am new to this board and just trying to guage the type of users there are out there.
Just a quick bit on myself i have been in this industry for a while now working Afgan, Iraq, London and Europe primerily in the Close Protection/PSD role. I am always looking at expanding my knowledge of the industry as we never stop learning do we? (Looking for any leads into Africa)
I am getting a bit anoyed with some of the standards of the people who are finding their way into our line of work and clearly should not be doing the job, and definatly should not be walking around armed.
So would appreciate some feed back on the following.

1) If we end up working with a muppet is it the muppets fault or the company? I have a full portfolio of proof for my work. This my CV with full proof of all claims on this either by way of certs,contracts or refernces etc. So why are there so many people on false CV,s working? Why do people sitting in the ivory towers never ask to see these and just go for bumbs on seats.

2) If a guys was driving a tank for 10 years (10 years in the millitary) what gives him the right to think he is qualified to work as a CPO?
I was in the millitary for 15 years my self but made sure i trained for this industry before entering into it. Does being in the millitary give you the right just to walk in?

3) Can non ex millitary (Civis) do this work?

4) Why do the companies (or the sia) never ask for a free from drugs cert from the doctors. I have had supply many medical exam papers for companies from my local doctor.(all for insurence as we know) Why is it i still come come across drug heads and drunks out there? What can be done to sort this?


5) With the advent of the SIA the cow boy teachers were stopped to a degree from teaching and ripping people off. (I taught myself delivering the SIA CP course and worked with the SIA) Some of these boys have now set up teaching HIGH RISK courses why are these not being regulated? I have seen many courses that are suposed to aimed at IRAQ or Afgan and yet when you look at the course content they never cover the local Language or protocols for the locals (if you cant even say please and thank you).They never even have any decent mapping of the areas that you will be sent to for reference will they tell you the tribal make up of an area or the personalities?
It seems most of the relevent information that is required seem to have the same answer 'oh yes you will get that out there' So why are people paying for these courses?


I could go on but lets see what others have to say.

Take care keep safe
Merv

[80085]

I have answered the questions in yellow not to confuse. . Its just my personal look on things.

Regards
Lildev666

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Originally Posted by Merv Hi All I am new to this board and just trying to guage the type of users there are out there. Just a quick bit on myself i have been in this industry for a while now working Afgan, Iraq, London and Europe primerily in the Close protection/PSD role. I am always looking at expanding my knowledge of the industry as we never stop learning do we? (Looking for any leads into Africa) I am getting a bit anoyed with some of the standards of the people who are finding their way into our line of work and clearly should not be doing the job, and definatly should not be walking around armed. So would appreciate some feed back on the following. 1) If we end up working with a muppet is it the muppets fault or the company? I have a full portfolio of proof for my work. This my CV with full proof of all claims on this either by way of certs,contracts or refernces etc. So why are there so many people on false CV,s working? Why do people sitting in the ivory towers never ask to see these and just go for bumbs on seats. Surely its both, the "muppet" for falsifyng the CV in the first place and the company who employs the "muppet" for not vetting properly... 2) If a guys was driving a tank for 10 years (10 years in the millitary) what gives him the right to think he is qualified to work as a CPO? I was in the millitary for 15 years my self but made sure i trained for this industry before entering into it. Does being in the millitary give you the right just to walk in? If a person has driven a tank in the army and completed other disciplines, then use that experience towards the training of a CPO, not particularly giving you the right to walk in... yet if that person had experience in Iraq or ME then you could argue the case I guess. 3) Can non ex millitary (Civis) do this work? Civvi's are doing this work, and some bloody good operators already out there Again depends if they have the correct qualifications and entitlement to do this work and are capable, meeting the criteria etc. There is no reason why they shouldnt do it. 4) Why do the companies (or the SIA) never ask for a free from drugs cert from the doctors. I have had supply many medical exam papers for companies from my local doctor.(all for insurence as we know) Why is it i still come come across drug heads and drunks out there? What can be done to sort this? If the companies are setting the criteria, then the companies are the ones who need to review it. Do they not know its going on in the first place? Do they know its going on and choose to ignore it? Why do they not know its going on? If it is going on, who's responsibility is it to report it? When & where is it happening? There is such a wide scope for drugs and alchohol, where to begin? 5) With the advent of the SIA the cow boy teachers were stopped to a degree from teaching and ripping people off. (I taught myself delivering the SIA CP course and worked with the SIA) Some of these boys have now set up teaching HIGH RISK courses why are these not being regulated? I have seen many courses that are suposed to aimed at IRAQ or Afgan and yet when you look at the course content they never cover the local Language or protocols for the locals (if you cant even say please and thank you).They never even have any decent mapping of the areas that you will be sent to for reference will they tell you the tribal make up of an area or the personalities? It seems most of the relevent information that is required seem to have the same answer 'oh yes you will get that out there' So why are people paying for these courses? People paying are paying for courses, not necessarily the correct ones, because possibley they are desperate to get out to the pit.(im not sure if that is the correct answer or the wrong answer, but some people I guess will do whatever it takes to get out there) I could go on but lets see what others have to say. Take care keep safe Merv

[seanb]

Aye Aye Bonzo :-) So what brought you out of the woodwork Merv's me old mate? Have to say its nice to read some relevant points from someone in the know. For those that don't know swerving Mervyn let me assure you he is more than qualified to discuss the topics he is, and may I also say that he is held in high regard by myself and many, many more within our industry. Oh and his xmas dinner was ace too. Catch you soon Mervyn, Ive got a couple a things in the cooker so will chat soon. Uncle Sean :-)

[seanb]

Further to the questions of courses, may I say, that in my opinion, Edelweiss tactical have a first hand knowledge of H.E and M.E and there training is of the highest standard. Within the time period alotted for a course they will drill you and drill you and if you have any common sense you can see the logic in all they instruct. There courses are ''Work training based'' and I for one and more than happy with the money I spent and I have intentions f spending some more with them too.

[fagin]

can civiy's do the job why not,what did you do in the army that was such a pre-requisite, my appologys if you were bg wing sas or rmp.being a soldier is nothing like CP work in civi street, i spent nearly 20 years living abroad in different places and was a very keen shooter with a variety of firearms most probably fired more rounds from a handgun than 90% of the british army and i can hit my target when i want and safely.remember don't judge a book by it's cover and anyboby can write bollocks in a cv. hopefully you will work with a civi one day that will change your mind have a nice day.

[seanb]

Mr fagin, you are not paying attention to detail. At no time does Merv say that one needs to be ex-mil to be a compotent CPo. He asked the question. As did he several others too. I have been working with Merv on and off for around ten years now, and in that time we have worked with a number of civi operators in many scenarios. I personally vouch for Mervs integrity as an operator and as a person. Merv takes people as he finds them and does not judge on their background in general. he, like myself, have wworked with both the good and the bad in the industry, the good are not always ex-mil and the bad are not always civi. As for informing Merv that being a soldier is nothing like cp work in civi street, believe me when I tell you he knows this better than most. Merv was a soldier for 15 years yes, but he as also acted as a H.E in the sand on a number of occasions. But this aside, he has vast experience in what you class as cp work in civi street, he has worked with royals on a number of occasions, corporates such as the European Commission and numerous others. I can state this as fact as I have worked alongside him on these jobs. I have yet to come across anyone in the cp world that has a bad word to say about Merv, he is well liked and respected within the industry for the simple fact that he is himself and not a self promoter that rabbits on about what they can do etc.

As for anyone can write bollocks in a c.v. That is the point Merv was making himself. He, like myself, and many others have a porfolio of evidence, this folder contains proof of all we state in our c.v's. Merv was saying that companies should request this as a norm, and thereby remove the possibility of people being placed on tasks due to false c.v's

Mr Fagin, I would hope that you now see the error of your post, and now enlightened will see fit to appologise to Merv for your misunderstanding.

With that I bid you good night Sir.

[Merv]

Thank you Sean appreciate that. Looking forward to working to gether again soon.

Mr Fagin
We can count on the fingers of one hand the guys who we would fully trust and respect as far as work goes, for me personally two of those guys would be Civvis.

Can you tell me more about the BG wing of the SAS?
Merv

[fagin]

hi merv if seanb thinks i'am not paying attention then obviously i don't get the question.'can civiy's do the job' you've just stated that two people you trust and i presume worked with are civiy's, you know the answer. no-one is attacking your integrity or professionalism i don't know you, have no experience in CP and would not tell anyone who is in the business about it. also never been in the sas but the point is the bg wing are skills that transfer to civiy street in cp work otherwise your as good as your course instructor and own skills ex=mil or not. that is all i'm saying