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stek67

on the point of the initial question...how can anyone advise someone with such little information at hand? we have had recent posts on here about the poor quality of CVs and the debacle with EODT where it appears that CVs taken at face value based on the reputation of this site fell somewhere short and have possibly led to companies thinking twice about using this site to post vacancies. To ask on here if he is qualified for a job and give a couple of lines of previous is a bit amateur.

onto previous tours of Iraq/Afghanistan. The drills you learn as an infantryman on an operational tour in these places will prepare you for ground contacts using british military tactics and weaponry. None of which bear the slightest resemblance to any movement/contact drill your company will be using in a PSD. The majority of soldiers wil be using SA80...not a weapon in use in PSDs.

A mortarman with 6 months intensive experience in Sangin has had a commendable tour in a military context but cannot possibly equip him with the skill set required in a PSD...

an infantryman with a tour in Northern Ireland has probably had the closest contact with an insurgent enemy but in all probabilty will be overlooked in favour of someone who had a non contact military posting several years ago in Iraq. Not all soldiers do I refer to as many have had multiple mlitary contacts which deserve recogntion.

where do you get your information from regarding my application success for jobs? haha

nozzer

Your not going to give up on this one mate are you?

But ill re-iterate what i said. Your talking s**t and have no clue what your on about. This is now fact.

You have lost yourself here, where is this bloke asking for comments on his CV? He stated his experience, running an int-cell in Northern Ireland and 2 years iraq, he came to the board in order that he didnt randomly send his CV off to a company that someone on the board may have experience off. I call that good drills!

You seem to agree with me on this with regard to your EODT comments? This bloke didnt send it off, he asked advice from his peers before doing so.

Did you do the same when you went to Aegis and got turned away? Had you, me or other members could have told you, they dont like hiring muppets with attitude and you could have had a job now. Just ask the blokes from your course who got work.

If he had told me he has worked in harrisons butchers for 4 years as a butcher, but now wanted to know if i thought he was suitable for a role as a butcher in Tesco,s. Then id make an informed and educated guess that yes he was. Am i going to reccomend him to Tesco,s or would he then go to Tesco,s and tell them that Nozzer of CPW reccomendeds him.

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onto previous tours of Iraq/Afghanistan. The drills you learn as an infantryman on an operational tour in these places will prepare you for ground contacts using british military tactics and weaponry. None of which bear the slightest resemblance to any movement/contact drill your company will be using in a Psd. The majority of soldiers wil be using SA80...not a weapon in use in PSDs

Again how would you know, you havent worked in CP or a Psd team. I have, 4 years in Iraq and i have also spent 3 years in Northern Ireland. 2 years spent in the C.O.P.

PSD and Military contact drills are exactly the same. It doesnt matter whether there 4 or 400 blokes, the "initial" contact drills are exactly the same.

Explain to everyone (and give us a laugh) how or what differently a PSD team do to a Platoon/company when they come under contact, Iraq, Asscrackistan, Northern Ireland, Brixton or anyhere on this big floating thing in space?

What has the use of an SA80 over an AK, M4 etc got to do with anything?

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an infantryman with a tour in Northern Ireland has probably had the closest contact with an insurgent enemy but in all probabilty will be overlooked in favour of someone who had a non contact military posting several years ago in Iraq. Not all soldiers do I refer to as many have had multiple mlitary contacts which deserve recogntion.

Well as someone who lives here and has completed tours from 1992 up to 2000. Let me tell you mate, Northern Ireland didnt come close to Iraq, Where did you get your info from that says an Infantryman in N.Ireland will probably have had a closer contact with the enemy over someone who has been to Iraq.

No need to explain on this one as you obviously have no concept of the Army, Psd, CP or anything most of CPW talk about.

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where do you get your information from regarding my application success for jobs? haha

From your previous posts

Im starting to get the impression this bloke is smoking banana skins..

annie

Play nicely gents and maybe a good idea to not be discussing drills on a live forum

nozzer

Why is it not a good idea to be discussing drills Annie?

This topic has been covered at length before, have a look.

But your right this thread is getting a little boring.

Stek, I win, you lose...That makes me better than you, whoooohoooo
Hows phase 1 AGC training going.

stek67

you really are interpreting things in your own mind aren`t you.

READ my reply...the majority of infantrymen will not be taught the small unit/patrol extraction drills to the extent where such drills are second nature..their role is to close with the enemy and as such, most of their training is geared towards this role...so if they subsequently wish to work in a Psd environment, they will have to adapt their generic skillset to a new way of responding to a contact. Rapid extraction and protection of principal will be drills which are unfamiliar to most ex soldiers.

HOWEVER...patrols/recce soldiers will have an advantage in that their role is different and the majority of their training will be in how to break contact...these skills will be more transferable to a PSD team.

How you can believe that ensuring a soldier is fully proficient with their weapon systems is "rubbish" is beyond comprehension.

If you really believe a soldier carrying out stoppage drills on a SA80 or a minimi during conventional battle drills on a conventional battlefield, is generically similar to being critically familiar with the use of an M4 and switching to secondary Glock for example, during a PSD extraction from contact...then you are choosing to be obstructive for no relevant reason.

There will be generic skills of safe weapon handling which can be utilised in training but the weaponry in use by PSD teams would in all likliehood only have ever been touched in military training by SF...so retraining on these weapons would have to be undertaken to the point where drills were second nature...you cannot possibly believe otherwise...put a 5 year squaddie on the range with a Glock and ask him to apply the safety catch!!!

A gun group giving supporting fire can be a single GPMG or a multiple of GPMG and minimi..this is basic and would a PSD not deploy a gunner somewhere within the team so as to deliver the highest rate of fire to support an extraction and suppress an enemy...

why do you not recognise the experience gained from operational service in NI?
where were insurgents in NI you ask...you are obviously not serious.

My whole point in highlighting the 2 areas of OPs is that a non-military civilian sifting CVs can decide that 1 area of operational experience carries less weight than another without being aware of the context of each soldiers contribution in whatever area they served in.
2 tours in NI COP...no thanks
1 tour in Iraq...yes, that will do

By the way, the only weapons in use in 3 Para were SLR/GPMG/SMG superceded by SA80/LSW/GPMG and the occasional go on a 9mm Browning.

Before dissecting each vowel and syllable of my reply to give your interpretation some credence...

1: basic soldiering skills do not make a PSD operator although will make the transition easier

2: No company worth considering would take a soldier fresh out of Afghan and put him in a PSD with an unfamiliar weapon and expect him to react correctly in a contact scenario within a PSD context...no matter his background, he will have to prove himself on the range and in the contact drills which the good companies will insist upon drilling into new team members.

annie

Nozzer quit baiting the man, is it actually possible for you to go one day without starting an argument about something or other, and stek67, don't rise to the bait, it's getting like a kindergarten class, next you'll be arguing over who's dad is the biggest and who has the best action man

Just let it go

nozzer

Not possible no Annie.

On this one Annie, no arguments started, i usually leave that for the DS forum and ive never been a DS so dont have a clue what im on about, pretty much like this clown on this forum....

philipkane6

thanx for all the comments gents, didnt mean to start an argument lol. hope you are all well and doing good. speak soon

nozzer

No probs mate, it was a good question, as you know its always good practice to get as much info about jobs as possible.

No such thing as a Stupid question, Only Stupid answers There do exist however plenty of Walts.........

philipkane6