jobs in iraq with hart

Ram Man

Hart are also putting people in the other sandy place near Iraq,on my way to the middle east a few days ago, i was talking to a few of their lads, good luck and stay safe Ram out.

mdupreez

Interesting comments mate... It seems to me that you have a constant problem with South African Psd operators.. reading your comments here, and previous posts made I take offense to that..There are a few idiots out there for sure,but Ive had my share of idiots from all over the world, so please don't generalize..

Many of these incidents re Hart happened quite a few years ago, especially the heavy losses (2004/2005). Not very nice for anyone involved, but could you think that possibly Hart could have changed because of change of management since then, or that the operation in Afghanistan is run completely differently to Iraq? Might not be good to generalize about Hart if you mean Hart, Iraq.
As you have been there and follow the situation wrt contracts and the process from RFP to proposal to contract award you will know that competition is tough and unfortunately to stay in the game, many companies have dropped their standards of recruiting as well as equipment and other overheads. Once again not good for those in the game (especially those few who think they are Gods gift to PSD), but companies are doing it more and more as client budgets are a lot lower than before for projects and they always seem to cut on security. Its all part of the game, the same as the reduction in CP rates in the UK, its the operators on the ground who keep accepting lower rates who screw up the market, same with PSC's who keep undercutting the rest with bids.. It wont change, its business. If anyone doesn't like it stay home..easy as. For those that do want a foot in the door or need to pay the bills, take the Hart job since Andy here doesn't need it.

PS: I don't work for Hart or never have, in fact I have lost mates who have worked with them. Thats the business we are in. Its up to the individual himself to determine how desperate they are to work and earn or sit at home at wait for that cushy job. Could take a while.

This is my first post, I felt I needed to respond, although I haven't posted an Intro yet, I will do so in time.

Take care all

DC60

I have to agree with Andy, that's a pretty accurate description of what they were like when i was there, spent a year with them (2004) Have they not changed since then ???
Did some convoy work with them for about a month, that was enough for me no armored vehicles and F*** all back up. The only good thing was the guy's you worked with and quite a few of them are now dead.
The sad thing is, as Andy stated they have not learnd anything from the dozens and dozens of men that have been killed and wounded.
Think hard befor taking this job lads, if you do good luck to you, you will no doubt see a bit of action but remember you have to be alive to spend your hard earnd cash.
Regards DC.
PS. What are they paying for convoys now any one know ?.

johng990

I heard it was $380 a day mate, not alot toroll in soft skins is it.!!!

DC60

$380 a day not enough to tempt me mate

wullie reilly

hart had armoured gun trucks cost a few bob but the ied.s went straight threw them body armour not that good most bought there own LNS had AK47 and internationals had M4 colt commando got peice of kit they did have a bad time last year and i do agree with what andy said but its the job you dont sign up to be a back seat passengers do wee . internatioanls are mostly yarpies ex coppers with some military experaiance some are not bad some where s... the ones i worked with where good lads most of the brits where ex infantry good lads knew there stuff i learned a lot from them well stay safe guys

wullie

ps any one got any work lol

andynorris

[quote=mdupreez;32460]Interesting comments mate... It seems to me that you have a constant problem with South African Psd operators..



Greetings mduprezze,

Firstly let me address your taking offense. I'm not in the business of tip towing around in an attempt to be politically correct - in fact, I'm probably one of the most politically incorrect persons you might ever meet. Angering or pleasing people will never be on the top of my list, though if you feel the need to be generalized or think the issues are directed at you -crack on. I've got no problem with any nationality and the fact that I spend a great deal of time in South Africa would suggest to some that I have quite strong connections and many good friends there. What does grip my shit is a closed rank buddy system that allows for friends rather than professionals to fill the posts. This has been a large part of the problem in some of the companies operating here - complacency.

Regarding change within Hart. Unless they have changed from July 2008 and I seriously doubt that they have, it could only be a change for the worse. They do not and never have given a rats ass about their men. Fact. Tragic. They didn't even have a single SOP...!!!! Iraq or Afghanistan, hearsay. The chiefs are the same.

Yes, the contract business is a cut throat environment, but that should never compromise standards nor professionalism or training and equipment to enable us to operate with the best fighting chance. Sorry that you have lost mates - we all have. I agree with you that it is the nature of the beast. However, by employing the laws of averages it wouldn't take an overly astute and clever man to work out your chances with companies like Hart are not good for paying the bills - chances are you won't be around long enough to have to pay them.

I do need the work my friend. None of us are here because we don't need to be, but I fancy the odds being for me rather than against. During my time at Hart (and it didn't last long) I witnessed horrendous crimes against professionalism, bad management, poor kit (if any at all), alcoholism on the job, physical and mental torture of the LN's and the breaking of more rules than are written. Do you really think the bosses care enough to leave the comfort of their yachts in Cyprus to come to Iraq and invest in the lives of their minions...?? Think again.

I'm not sat here preaching to the converted or attempting to discourage any man from taking work. What I am trying to achieve and what this forum supports is passage of information - good experiences or bad - and for the people that want to take it on board, it is my experiences that I pass to you. What you do with them or how they are interpreted is entirely up to you.

All the best,

Chooooooooo,

Andy.

Des

Many thanks for this post and other articles which have informed prospective employees about the true picture. I sent my CV within a few minutes of these vacancies being advertised but I will heed the advice of the members and not take a job, (even if I was offered one). It proves that this forum works for the well-being of the troops! des

kenpsd

Okay Des, glad you have decided to heed the advice given from a few 'seasoned' operators on here. One thing though, to consider sending a CV within minutes of the vacancies being advertised, shows that you are keen to work, but you really should take some time to do due dilligence on some of the companies who advertise these posts.It is not a first come first served situation with the HR Depatments of the recruiters. So take a deep breath, then have look around in places like this and other easily accessed media, to find out the back ground good or bad of an employer. Then if you like what you see, send your CV.

Take care and regards,

Kenpsd

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