Recruiting

Blackstone

I mean not to offend any of the users on CP World as I think the concept itself is great and the way its managed is also excellent, sure it has faults, but it’s in a field of its own and it creates discussion on issues that would otherwise be left unspoken.

I do however have an issue which I will put out for folks to either rant or defend or simply ignore.

I DO place posts on here to recruit individuals, I always put the exact specific requirement for the task in hand, i.e. experience, nationality, military background, languages or various specialist skills (med/dog handler/EP or RST). So here’s the question.

Why is it, that individuals like myself, Praetorian, M4MED and dozens of others that recruit, giving specific requirements for a task, have to suffer relentless private messages from people who are prepared to lie about everything from there nationalities to over compensating there minimal experience ???

There are some very professional operators that use this site and I always focus on that, but sometimes there are some complete *censored**censored**censored**censored*ers that muddy the waters for others and I find it so very frustrating... if you couldn’t tell.

I am interested in debating this and would love to hear some defence

Stay Safe

PaulSmith

Might be somenthing to do with the market being that flooded that people think they have to exaggerate/bend the truth or just lie in order to get work.

Personally I wouldnt think like that. Id send you my portfolio, if you didnt like it then so be it.......

LeeStevo

Hello Blackstone,

First i would like to say that i dont have a deffense for ppl that do that, other than they must be desprate for work. That said they still shouldnt lie, as they will get found out and also it could cost lives in the end. Perhaps they are going the VERY wrong way about gaining experiance. PLEASE note i am not saying that this is right, as they could be taken a job thats perfect for me, but they pip me to the post by lying......

I would like to thank you Praetorian, M4MED and the rest for using this site to recruit.

Now you have got your rant off your chest for mow mate, are you going to the function ??

LJ

80085

My personal view, which is also my professional opinion as an individual CPO looking for work is: Don't ever lie full stop, let alone on a CV, nor apply for positions that I am unqualified to fill.

I see no point, apart from wasting the time of the advertiser/POC making a bad name for ones self by lying - I might be wrong, but I am sure that being the industry that is it, once you make a bad name for yourself, it will be very hard to recover from it, as word will soon get around.

As for a defense for doing it, is there really an excuse. Out of shear desperation, and hope that the recruiter will not do background checks??

Just my view.

Regards
Lildev666

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dogbomb

i understand how you feel blackstone as i myself have been offered several jobs in london through a third party and have spent money travelling down to these jobs and found the third party has told the employer i have all the right qualifications for the job ,and ofcourse i didnt , makes me look a bloody fool makes the employer feel bad knowing ive come such a long way

Samson

Ive found in my experience simple fact is that people that lie in their resumes of past experiences are quickly found out once they start work, if its fitness,weapons ability , knowledge , languages etc are usualy sent home,however this still make the recuriting company look bad for the client with the possibilty of loosing the contract and endangering the client and his/hers team members.
for this sight there might be an idea when posting job positions to have a end of thread option, with statement of no private emails.

James Mc

Hello Blackstone,

Mate i think the threads above have knocked the nail on the head, the market is flooded & they will lie to get a job!!! what they dont realise is that firstly most of the guys who recruit know each other & talk to each other in one way or another, secondly, they dont read the advice people give them about gaining employment on this forum.

More importantly they don't seem to realise how much damage they are doing to their credability with any future employers.

It's annoying, we receive about a dozen CV's a week, which go in the bin after usually 1 phone call. They may learn that you have start on the bottom of the ladder, but lying doesn't get you there, especially when they are caught out!

James Mc

nozzer

You would think that would be the case Lildev666, unfortunately ive found complete t****rs keep getting work over good blokes.

The "industry" is that over populated with both CPO,s and companies (large or here one day gone the next) its almost impossible to inform everyone of crap blokes or blokettes.

These types of forums would be ideal, but then again people with personal agenda,s would abuse the facility.

The problem also (in my oppinion) lies with the way in which some contracts come about. It can be a matter of a few hours whereby the recruiter has to get a team/teams together, this is where people slip through the net.

The recruiters and/or companies could get by this, by stock piling "approved" CV,s. But what tends to happen is youll send your CV of to lets for arguments sake say Aegis. They will politely auto-reply informing you they have kept your CV on file as there are no jobs. That CV will then get chucked in the bin. When a contract then comes up, theyll advertise it on there website, asking people to send there CV,s to blablabla@aegis.com

Just my oppinion, for what it counts?

Mrburns

There does seem to be a lot of "fibbing" in this industry. It actually shocks because its on the one industry which you can’t really get away with it. Your working with people who have to be good at

+ reading people and reading situations
+ doing background checks and detailing on a person or entity
+ Are trained in Surveillance and other such skill sets

All of these pretty much show up muppets quickly! However don't think this is the only industry this occurs. I think a lot of it is the type of work.

The IT contractor industry is the same. Everyone talks a lot of rubbish on their cv. gets to the interview. falls over! I recently put out a request for skilled top level programmers on a jobsite, when I asked basic questions well below the required skill set nearly everyone folded! I now have a standardised "exercise" which the potential contractor has to do before he gets work. Only way i can be sure he can perform as promised within time scale.

Again because the market is flooded (as it is in many contractor market types) your going to get the idiots thinking " yeah if i blag it for one job and then I have got a real job which will get me more jobs!".

Would people agree that that training provided based on the sia minimum requirements does not meet the minimum requirement for CP in the current job market? From working in cp myself I see that the standard I was trained to is so far away from what is required by employers it’s a bit mad (this is down to the sia I think in some part setting crap minimum requirements for licensing.)

Anyway that’s my take on it. Sorry if i have repeated anything someone else has allready stated,

Excellent thread!

Cheers

a5955

I agree, and a great highlight on writing BS on your CV or being a walter is the EODT saga, but alot of companies are to blame for instance Page, they were recruiting for the EU contract and hired people blind, I know of 4 people they hired who were overweight and god dam useless.
I personally think that the big comapnies Aegis, Armor etc are also recruiting muppets on purpose because they are in a word sc