Foundation Degree in Protective Security Management

Rich H

Granted, the Foundation Degree in Protective Security Management may indeed be a 'Foundation Degree'. It may indeed be well structured, have good course content and attendees may well indeed learn a great deal. This however, is not the issue. Nemesis outline the following as the course content:

Module Title Credits

LEVEL 1
Certificate in Close Protective Security 20
Threat and Risk Assessment 20
Legal Framework 20
Personal and Professional Dev (Academic skills, reflection, action planning, career dev, verbal and non-verbal comms, interpersonal skills) 20
Close Protection Studies 20
Operations Planning 20

LEVEL 2
Corporate Close Protection Studies 20
Celebrity Close Protection Studies 20
Overseas Close Protection Studies 20
Management Issues 20
Close Protection Project 40
Personal and Professional Dev (Academic skills, reflection, action planning, career dev, verbal and non-verbal comms, interpersonal skills)


In my expert opinion, I don't believe that this course is as you say, "taking it to the next level" but is merely capitilising on 'CP' and accessing another form of revenue, much like the 'Security Consultants' Course. One can clearly see that the course content is based on CP.

My point is that anyone with an expert background in CP such as Rmp CP with many years of experience managing CP operations worldwide as well as security management in the corporate arena would gain nothing from attending such a course, indeed, they could instruct it! The flip side to this of course is that if you don't have such a well developed background then this course can no doubt provide more information and knowledge to you for progressing. I would never make derogoratory comments on something without backing it with expert opinion and I apologise if you misread the aim of my point.

Many courses are available for educating and promoting oneself. I would just think long and hard about the relevance and benefit of any course before parting with a great deal of hard earned cash.

(Rich H)

Miles Overton

If you want work outside of europe, become a member of the ASIS and a far superior to the SIA. They are so selective on their members that if you have a membership you really know what your talking about. you apply for this after you have your bachelors degree in security managment and risk assesment. not befor!

Rich H

Miles - Absolutely.


Rich H

cookey

F?#K me, check rich h out, very touchy!!

aston

easy easy!!

Regal Security Training Ltd

Well i think someone feels threatend maybe? Quote: Not worth the paper its wrote on! erm! Of course it is what an obtuse statement.
Quote: Proper course, Rmp Longmoor?
I dont doubt that the course is good my friend, i have worked with may Ex Rmp who are very good friends of mine. but its starting to sound like a broken record, and the Longmoor course do offer the 15 credits towards the (Not worth the paper its written on) course
Well as the person making that statement must know his beans!
I really get infuriated with people on this site when people ask genuine questions or ask for direction. Get an elitest reply like is posted on here.
I see and talk to people who genuinly want to change the roles that they are in and become CPO's,
The only course to do is!!!!
the only degree to get is!!!!

I like 511 they are the only work cloths to have Peter Storm is not worth the cloth its weaved with!!!!

Lets just help people and not be bloody aggressive with what WE think is the best,
I suppose ill get an acidic reply.

But Bucks New University is definatley not a company that has just dreamed up a qualification????

Its better than NO QUALIFICATION AT ALL

Regal Security Training Ltd

Why has Mickworlwide left himelf open to attack? whats that all about he was giving an opinion. or is this site a defense and attack site if you give an opinion?

I despair this site sometimes

Brummie

hippy

I'm not quite sure what Rich's issue is with the degree? Indeed most Longmore vets will probably have picked up enough to be able to achieve the degree, but does this belittle it? No, I don't think so. Nor am I sure how any qualification from a nationally (and indeed intenationaly) recognised qualification and examination board can be said to be 'not worth the paper it is written on'

A degree is as much a statement of ones ability to learn, assess and theorize as it is specific knowledge. All skills essential in management.

Oh and Rich, yes I have a degree, well two in fact, but I'm also a Longmore vet!

Rich H

Good grief,

You are all becoming far too affected with other peoples views and opinions that this is becoming quite childish. This forum is for, after all, putiing forward your view and when challenged, to back it up.

The reasons why I describe the Foundation Degree of Protective Security as pretty much 'not worth the paper its printed on' is due the fact that Nemesis had created it in association with Bucks as purely a money making venture. I had completed a degree with Leicester when this protective security one came out and I just couldnt believe that someone would spend hundreds of pounds on this when others are more recognised insofar as 'Security Management' as opposed to a 'degree' that has been created on the back of CP.

I don't necessarily have 'an issue' with this degree specifically but as to the reasons why and what it is about. If someone is considering a degree then I would advise that one to study for would be that of a nature surrounding all aspects of security management such as the Foundation Degree in Security & Risk Management as opposed to picking out a few pages from CP and building on the TL aspect.

When one closely looks at the subject matter covered for both, (Foundation Degree: Modules), then it must be realised that those mangement positions on offer would naturally favour that of the Leicester University course.

The bottom line is that, yes, of course, study to a degree level is good. Good for personal developement; research and education but also for personal employment and widening the scope of employment.

If my other posts have caused a nerve twitch in a few of you then so be it. This forum is for all and for all points of view, but I am certainly not about to apologise!

You all appear to write very flippantly and it amazes me that you are digging me for my strong opinion when yours are equally strong on the contrary.

Lets grow up people and start writing and acting like excellent anagers we all claim to be.


Rich H

hippy

Rich, I too would agree that the standard offered by Leicester is higher. I took my Masters at Leicester and have nothing but praise for it (even if my somewhat egotistical and Oxford educated sibling mocks it) and I also believe that a forum is a place for discussion, but I have to say I have not been 'affected with other peoples views and opinions' either in this instance or at any other time.

I would not disagree either with your statement regarding Nemisis having produced it for one reason and one reason only. That being making money. But they are after all a business and making money is the reason for their existance.

The fact remains that it is a recognised qualification, from an established seat of learning, Bucks, and therefore must be worth 'the paper it is written on'

But, whilst saying that I would recommend other professional related qualifications before this particular item, but I would not turn round to an applicant and say "Sorry mush, this aint worth diddly"