mgibson55

Got details of an sia approved Trainers Course today, being run by CRW Special Projects Ltd. I have done training with them before, and was very impressed, so thought I would share this with you all:

sia Trainers Award

Accredited Training for all security trainers
Event InfoHost:CRW Special Projects Limited
Type:Education - Class
Network:Global
Time and PlaceStart Time:Saturday, September 27, 2008 at 9:00am
End Time:Friday, October 3, 2008 at 5:00pm
Location:Leeds
City/Town:Leeds, United Kingdom
Contact InfoPhone:08450949340
Email:training@crwspecialprojects.com

Description

CRW Special Projects Limited has designed this course specifically to provide the skills and qualifications to become a Security Industry Authority (sia) Approved Trainer.

Upon successful completion of the programme candidates will have the required qualifications to deliver SIA Approved Training. Additionally CRW Special Projects Ltd will provide successful candidates with the following ‘ready to deliver’ CRW Training Programmes:

1 Day Conflict Management Programme PowerPoint Presentation & Lesson Plans
1 Day Security Awareness Programme PowerPoint Presentation & Lesson Plans
1 Day Ied Awareness Programme PowerPoint Presentation & Lesson Plans
1 Day Terrorism Awareness Programme PowerPoint Presentation & Lesson Plans

We are also able to give guidance and advice for those wishing to apply for: -

Chartered Institute of Environmental Health Centre Approval to deliver Level 2 Conflict Management.

Edexcel BTEC Centre Approval to deliver SIA recognised Level 2 Door Supervision and Level 2 Security Operations qualifications.

Payment includes 1 year membership to the Institute of Training and Occupational Learning.

The course is delivered in two modules:

Module 1 - Edexcel Level 3 BTEC Award in Preparing to Teach in the Lifelong Learning Sector (PTLLS)

Duration – 4 Days

This qualification is recognised by the SIA as a minimum requirement for those wishing to deliver SIA Approved training. The Lifelong Learning UK also recognises this as the minimum requirement for those wishing to deliver post 16 education.

Module 2 - Edexcel Level 3 BTEC Award in the Delivery of Conflict Management Training

Duration – 3 Days

The Edexcel Level 3 BTEC Award in the Delivery of Conflict Management Training relates to the Security Industry Authority specification for Conflict Management Trainers.

To achieve the whole qualification, a learner must successfully complete both units.

Course Fees - £1,190 + VAT

This includes all certification, CRW Training Packs and lunch and refreshments during the course. Accommodation is not included but can be recommended at discounted rates for each of our training locations.

We are more than happy to answer any questions you may have about the course and the benefits the Qualifications and the CRW Training Packs will give you.

psdtraining

HOLD THAT BUS............................................... ................

You also need the experience as well people, there's more to training within the sia framework, thn "doing a course"...see The SIA website for details: Information for Training Providers - Security Industry Authority

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covert munkey

Very interesting.

As a certified and registered CP instructor with C+G and Edxcel(whoopeeeeeee!!!) i found that the training company that employed me simply sent my CV away for 'vetting' and it seemed to receive all the required 'ticks in the boxes', therefore authorising me to instruct on the sia CP course.

Is this the norm or am i just a special needs case? LOL

CM

alpha281

just to let everyone now, we also deliver the same course in north wales under city & guilds, price of the course is £895 anyone interested please pm me with details and proof of work in your selected area. many thanks.

praetorian550

I believe the requirements are simply-
PTTLS- C&G7303 or similar
Delivering Conflict management- C&G 1886 or similar

and proven operational experience- this one isnt taught anywhere.

So anyone with real experience can transfer their subject matter knowledge gained through time served into a training qualification at their local college or
teacher tarining company for about £800 usually for the 2 required quals.

What you dont get from an 'instructor' course is the necessary time served to be credible.

However I am fully behind dedicated train the trainer courses for suitable people as there are some god awful trainers out there. And to be fair at least this course is subject specific which alot are not being aimed at the general market.

alpha281

Exactly praetorian550, and this is what i find to be rong to deliver the courses under NOCN, skills for security, what ever sector you choose deliver s4s find that by attending a recognised course they see this to be enough experiance to gain your at numbers and to start delivering imidiately, but this is an on going debate.

Rich H

Psd Trg is right with their comment that there is a alot more to delivering training than just 'doing the course', however, the sia do not stipulate any 'time served' on the job prior to teaching so in effect, it is possible attend a CP course one year and a teaching qual the next. This is the downfall of the entire licensing, NOS & APL process.

A 24ct cock up.


Rich H

covert munkey

Rich H i totally respect your comments mate but i was under the impression that for a training centre to be accredited then there trainers need to be 'authorised' by the said training body.

In order to be 'authorised' the proposed trainer needs to have field expereince.

CM

Rich H

Hi CM,

Yes, you are indeed correct. The 'accrediting bodies' do need to 'authorise' aspiring trainers before they can attend a trainers qual course. However, these accrediting bodies are, lets be frank, desk wallers whose only experience in CP is reading it from a book and taking advice from the sia and so on. There are no criteria laid down that must be met by that individual before they can apply for such a trainers course such as;

1. Must have at least 10 years in a solid CP background
2. Must have held the position of TL for a minimum of 5 years etc etc


Their attendance is based on a decision by some guy who decides if the candidate has enough experience. The process is clustered just as the entire process is involved in licensing.


Rich H