10 Year Checkable Work History For Security Jobs... lets see who knows??

doorman25 · 22-11-2009, 06:23 PM

Hi All,

At present if you apply for work with a company as a guard or a door supervisor the application always states that you have to provide all employment and unemployment info for the last 10 years correct...??

What does this vetting process actually bring to light though...??

If i applied to a company for doorwork would they contact the employer i work for currently?? And how would they contact a company if it no longer exists??

Do they try and contact every company you have worked for??

And what questions are they asking these company's is there a set format..??

As always all info and information welcome

Regards

Doorman25..............

theirishdoorman · 22-11-2009, 06:32 PM

Good question mate, i have thought about that in the past. Im curious to no what the answer is?

jookbeard · 22-11-2009, 06:47 PM

I've often thought about that as well, I worked for a small company for 2 years up until 2002 , which is now defunct and would be impossible to gain any contact/ref for.

fwog · 22-11-2009, 07:05 PM

Good point, unless your a career MP, there's not many jobs that last that long. It also amazes me that jobs that pay under 20k a year require this also.

Its a really big ask IMHO

Fwog

Heno · 22-11-2009, 09:09 PM

Posted this in the training forum also.

Had plenty of experience doing this. And by experience I mean headaches.

Here in Ireland a 10 year history check is required in security and in Aviation. Now just one of the problems that arises is if for exapmle you left a job 9 years ago, here in Ireland that company is only required to keep your records for 3 years. 9 years later, they have no record and no-one remembers you!

I would try to contact every company you worked for that was on the list, but first I would be required to ask your permission to do so.

Current employers I would not contact until you were on your probationary period as I've known guys to be sacked just because they even considered looking elsewhere for a new job, so I would ask you why you were leaving and let you know that I would be asking after you had left.

Some had issues with checking previous employers, fair enough, their applications went to file 13.

The questions I would ask would be the standard, how long you worked there, what position, time keeping etc I would also ask to speak with your immediate supervisor and ask the same.

I would rarely use the contact numbers given on an application as I had found quite often the numbers given would go to their mates within the company. I would use the phonebook, ring direct and ask to be put through to HR and supervisor etc.

In situations where the company no longer existed or you were not remembered due to the amount of time elapsed, I would make a desicion based upon the rest of the information I was able to glean.

For example, if you had 10 previous jobs and 8 of them checked out then I would take your word for it (This is what we were instructed to do by the PSA, the Irish version of the SIA, and also the Dept of Transport when it came to Aviation vetting.)

If however, lots of things did not add up then I would process the application no further.

Sometimes, 1 or 2 previous employers would not give good refs and I would ask the candidate to give their side of the story, and take it from there.

Hope this helps

Heno

eddyedwards41 · 22-11-2009, 09:57 PM

The vetting process is in place to ensure that the person applying for a security position is in deed the said person, and that the said person has no criminal or civil convictions against them (relevant to employment in the security industry ). Also to obtain a picture of the said applicants character and reasons for leaving past employment.

Every Security company wisher to ensure they employ /deploy security officers of good character. A security company’s good reputation can be affected by the security officers it employs.

Yes each previous company will be contacted.
If that company is no longer trading the employing company will try and obtain more information from the applicant.
There are a number of ways to do this
Old pay slips copy’s of p45. Applicants can even apply to the tax office for a record of his tax payments covering the period of time he was employed with the said company. It is up to the applicant to provide any details required to prove previous employment

I am not aware is there is a set rule to the questions asked these are the general questions

Stare /end dates of employment,
Reason for leaving,
Character of applicant,
No of work day’s mist,
Any other information relevant.

This is a summary of the reasons for vetting.
I hope this helps
PS

I have just read the post above which has been posted while I scribed this one.
In the main land UK it is requirement under approver contractors to Vet all applicants this must be done within 30 days or the applicant would have failed their probation
This its to the best of my appilaty a true statment

eddyedwards41 · 22-11-2009, 10:07 PM

eddyedwards41The vetting process is in place to ensure that the person applying for a security position is in deed the said person, and that the said person has no criminal or civil convictions against them (relevant to employment in the security industry ). Also to obtain a picture of the said applicants character and reasons for leaving past employment.

Every Security company wisher to ensure they employ /deploy security officers of good character. A security company’s good reputation can be affected by the security officers it employs.

Yes each previous company will be contacted.
If that company is no longer trading the employing company will try and obtain more information from the applicant.
There are a number of ways to do this
Old pay slips copy’s of p45. Applicants can even apply to the tax office for a record of his tax payments covering the period of time he was employed with the said company. It is up to the applicant to provide any details required to prove previous employment

I am not aware is there is a set rule to the questions asked these are the general questions

Stare /end dates of employment,
Reason for leaving,
Character of applicant,
No of work day’s mist,
Any other information relevant.

This is a summary of the reasons for vetting.
I hope this helps
PS

I have just read the post above which has been posted while I scribed this one.
In the main land UK it is requirement under approver contractors to Vet all applicants this must be done within 30 days or the applicant would have failed their probation
This its to the best of my appilaty a true statment eddyedwards41The vetting process is in place to ensure that the person applying for a security position is in deed the said person, and that the said person has no criminal or civil convictions against them (relevant to employment in the security industry ). Also to obtain a picture of the said applicants character and reasons for leaving past employment.

Every Security company wisher to ensure they employ /deploy security officers of good character. A security company’s good reputation can be affected by the security officers it employs.

Yes each previous company will be contacted.
If that company is no longer trading the employing company will try and obtain more information from the applicant.
There are a number of ways to do this
Old pay slips copy’s of p45. Applicants can even apply to the tax office for a record of his tax payments covering the period of time he was employed with the said company. It is up to the applicant to provide any details required to prove previous employment

I am not aware is there is a set rule to the questions asked these are the general questions

Stare /end dates of employment,
Reason for leaving,
Character of applicant,
No of work day’s mist,
Any other information relevant.

This is a summary of the reasons for vetting.
I hope this helps
PS

I have just read the post above which has been posted while I scribed this one.
In the main land UK it is requirement under approver contractors to Vet all applicants this must be done within 30 days or the applicant would have failed their probation
This its to the best of my appilaty a true statment

I have just read the post above which has been posted while I scribed this one.
In the main land UK it is requirement under approver contractors to Vet all applicants this must be done within 30 days or the applicant would have failed their probation
The vetting process is in place to ensure that the person applying for a security position is in deed the said person, and that the said person has no criminal or civil convictions against them (relevant to employment in the security industry ). Also to obtain a picture of the said applicants character and reasons for leaving past employment.

Every Security company wisher to ensure they employ /deploy security officers of good character. A security company’s good reputation can be affected by the security officers it employs.

Yes each previous company will be contacted.
If that company is no longer trading the employing company will try and obtain more information from the applicant.
There are a number of ways to do this
Old pay slips copy’s of p45. Applicants can even apply to the tax office for a record of his tax payments covering the period of time he was employed with the said company. It is up to the applicant to provide any details required to prove previous employment

I am not aware is there is a set rule to the questions asked these are the general questions

Stare /end dates of employment,
Reason for leaving,
Character of applicant,
No of work day’s mist,
Any other information relevant.

This is a summary of the reasons for vetting.
I hope this helps

Oddjob · 22-11-2009, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddyedwards41

The vetting process is in place to ensure that the person applying for a security position is in deed the said person, and that the said person has no criminal or civil convictions against them (relevant to employment in the security industry ). Also to obtain a picture of the said applicants character and reasons for leaving past employment.

Every Security company wisher to ensure they employ /deploy security officers of good character. A security company’s good reputation can be affected by the security officers it employs.

Yes each previous company will be contacted.
If that company is no longer trading the employing company will try and obtain more information from the applicant.
There are a number of ways to do this
Old pay slips copy’s of p45. Applicants can even apply to the tax office for a record of his tax payments covering the period of time he was employed with the said company. It is up to the applicant to provide any details required to prove previous employment

I am not aware is there is a set rule to the questions asked these are the general questions

Stare /end dates of employment,
Reason for leaving,
Character of applicant,
No of work day’s mist,
Any other information relevant.

This is a summary of the reasons for vetting.
I hope this helps
PS

I have just read the post above which has been posted while I scribed this one.
In the main land UK it is requirement under approver contractors to Vet all applicants this must be done within 30 days or the applicant would have failed their probation
This its to the best of my appilaty a true statment

I find this print impossible to read.
I can only read it when I click on the quote tab.
then I can read it very clearly, and with great interest on a white background.
Any one else got this problem.

My 'Private' ex clients, would not appreciate, such enquiries.
And would take great umbridge to be revealed to others in such a way.
What do I do.?

Thankfully, I won't need to go through this process, but if I did, I can think of 2 or 3 clients who would never use me again.
I very rarely work through an agency or security company.
Haven't done so in some 15 years.
But I can see problems here, just by the nature of our business.

Heno · 22-11-2009, 10:17 PM

The PSA had suggested Tax records also, in practice however, it wasn't great as it could take months to get them and half the time the tax office staff couldn't be arsed to get them or wouldn't give incomplete records.

Even then, all that would do would show that someone worked where they said they did, it would not say what their time keeping etc was like.

The PSA/SIA basically created a set of parameters without any thought into how workable they actually were, and without seeing if it was compatible with other legislation such as how long a company is required to keep records after an employee is no longer employed by a company.

In situations were it was impossible to get a complete check covering 10 years, then we had to show our best endeavours were made.

Heno

theirishdoorman · 22-11-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddyedwards41

The vetting process is in place to ensure that the person applying for a security position is in deed the said person, and that the said person has no criminal or civil convictions against them (relevant to employment in the security industry ). Also to obtain a picture of the said applicants character and reasons for leaving past employment.

Every Security company wisher to ensure they employ /deploy security officers of good character. A security company’s good reputation can be affected by the security officers it employs.

Yes each previous company will be contacted.
If that company is no longer trading the employing company will try and obtain more information from the applicant.
There are a number of ways to do this
Old pay slips copy’s of p45. Applicants can even apply to the tax office for a record of his tax payments covering the period of time he was employed with the said company. It is up to the applicant to provide any details required to prove previous employment

I am not aware is there is a set rule to the questions asked these are the general questions

Stare /end dates of employment,
Reason for leaving,
Character of applicant,
No of work day’s mist,
Any other information relevant.

This is a summary of the reasons for vetting.
I hope this helps
PS

I have just read the post above which has been posted while I scribed this one.
In the main land UK it is requirement under approver contractors to Vet all applicants this must be done within 30 days or the applicant would have failed their probation
This its to the best of my appilaty a true statment

Please Dont post in karki green mate ! Its f**king annoying ,cos i can hardly see it !