If bouncers and have a go heroes are allowed to protect, R people allowed to...

[Scab]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miles Overton best thing for all of this is to learn a combatative system or martialart that is leathal but also practises control.

Lethal? Are you serious? Firstly, any martial art has the potential to be lethal though I would seriously reconsider recommending people train in LETHAL techniques. That advice is just foolhardy.

Quote:

i train in jujitsu and have done for 4 years. i know i can controle a large groupe without any striking moves which keeps me on the right side of the law!

That is called an illusion of security. You are both overconfident and arrogant of the infinitely diverse situations you could find yourself in where one single variable among millions is can change that means you cannot only fail to control a crowd, but even a single individual.

What you know, quite simply; is nothing.

[beastie]

Pikachu, You may need to look back on a news event that happened earlier this year. The right to defend ones family and reasonable force now mean that should anyone unlawfully enter your home, you have the right to protect from the inside, to your gate without the fear of being arrested. The Police will back you up, should problems arise.
Beastie

[yoda]

If i ever need a lawyer, i know were to find one. Glad to see some good old fashion barrack room lawyers.

Thers allways hope for a new career.

At the end of the day, whatever you decide you most likely have to stand in court in front of a jury and explain your actions. that's life.

Regards

[mrrandom]

I've just this week finished my sia door course and was told that yes you can use reasonable force (both at work and at home) as long as you remember it is only to "create a window of escape"

[mally]

door supervisors are now expected to prevent crime and disorder on their premises. This also apply's when their punters leave the premises and are causing trouble outside.

The new licensing laws for nightclubs, public houses etc ask licencee's what they are going to do to prevent disorder and crime.

The main Objectives when the new licensing law came into effect were
to prevent crime and disorder
to promote public safety
to prevent public nuisance.
Normally the licencee will agree to employ sufficent numbers of qualified door staff and installation and use of CCTV.

If the police were called to a incident outside of a nightclub then it would be exepected that door staff would assist.

I have alot of respect for door supervisors where I work and know the vast majority of them would not stand an watch an incident they could prevent.

[tazape]

The concept of the defence exists both at common law and by statute. At common law the defence has existed for centuries and permits a person to use reasonable force to:

1. defend himself from attack
2. prevent an attack on another person
3. defend his property

In addition to the common law defence, section 3 (1) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 (the statutory defence) provides that:
"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large." An interesting point arises in connection with the statutory defence where it refers specifically to the use of force. What is not clear is whether anything less than force may be used. It is submitted that since the common law permits conduct which amounts to less than force and since section 3 (1) of the criminal law act permits the use of reasonable force, anything less than force ought to be permitted.

[Scab]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrrandom I've just this week finished my SIA door course and was told that yes you can use reasonable force (both at work and at home) as long as you remember it is only to "create a window of escape"

Which is incorrect.

Common law and statute law relating to use of force; prevention of a breach of the peace, to prevent harm coming to someone else or yourself, prevention of damage to property, prevention of crime, carrying out a lawful arrest or assisting with a lawful arrest...

Arresting someone either via your common law right to protect or under 24a of PACE is hardly to 'create a window of escape' ..!