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I agree proper use of any restraint is invaluable and saves futher injury and in some cases lives. However I personally think it has a very limited place in the world of Door Supervision, not least because there is not a independant body with enough experience to oversee the introduction. Also a point I would like to bring up is training and judgment Police officers go through constant courses and an intensive tutoring period where as the sia award does not, this could lead to many poor or wrong judgement calls leading to "Unlawful arrests" Citizensd arrest has a limited meaning and even if people think they are doing the right thing sometimes there judgment is not upto scratch. I personally would take great offence at being cuffed outside a bar.
With reguards to "quick cuffs" Yes they sometimes do cause injuries anything from scratches to broken wrists but they are a massive tool in the Policemans armoury, they are superb for controling a subject with the amount of pressure you can exert, one thing to bear in mind is we dont cuff nice people now do we its normaly drunken fools. Platicuffs have there place to but I personally find these awkward when the subject is fighting and im on my own, good use as backup tho or for mass arrests. I would be interested in taking a look at your course tho out of interest. |
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i've found in the past tho you have to be careful of who you train with this stuff i have around 300 staff working for me and i teach are companys control and restraint , hours are put in to them telling them when and how it should be done but because they have been trained in it they always take it to the max ,when its not always needed . we teach the a.p.r aswell but we haven't trained any of are staff to date
thats just because i can't be arsed to sit up all night doing the paper work when they cuffed some one for nothing !!!! |
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my training comes from ACPO or I should say is the ACPO approved course for Police Offices I qualify once a year, however I tend to either do the course every six months or train regually.
Oops my mistake on the sia thing, however I still stand by my points. I agree with Neil, Certain people become more dangerous when taught these things for want of a better quote "the power goes to there head" or should I say percived power. |
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I have been looking around some of the rooms on here and found another thread on cuffs etc, a point I would like to mention is that the use of any type of restraint IE uickcuffs or plaasticuffs is classed as a use of force. Police officers handcuff in accordance with force policy ( this may mean every suspect is cuffed even for minor stuff such as graffiti)
The only time I envisige private security personnel cuffing is if a subject is so violent he can not be managed by use of personal restraint alone. OR if he cannot just be kicked out onto the street and the local Bobbies called. Handcuffing is a serious application of force and in its self is an "Assault" and great care should be taken. Not meaning to preach to thoses responsible, trained individuals out there. Last edited by wingnut; 02-08-2008 at 03:42 PM. |
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All good points all pertinant and mainly correct- on both sides.
But going around in circles again and again. APR is at least a trained course accredited by someone recognised devised by a respecyted industry player and comes with powerpoint theory insurances etc. This should at least be applauded compared to the alternatives. There will always be knobbers no matter how well trained a knobber stays a knobber. |
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Ha ha pat your right, even if your somewhat blunt.
And yes I welcome the fact someone or thing is trying to legislate and control it. Just not sure its got a place i the UK. Your right tho I know Bobbies that shouldn't carry cuffs because there useless lol |
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Just to let you know skills for security MAY be certifying the use of metal cuffs later this year for all those that are apr trained now and in the future
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