Handcuff/Plastic restraints

hippy

"Practical & Tactical"..... Jeez the names they give courses these days!!! What would be wrong with calling it a 'Handcuffing Course'... ?????

Any way, I'm off to get my muscle powered, earth turning implement as I've got some gardening to do.........

dannyboy489

A spade by any other name eh Hippy......

Ben325

this post has amazed me. its good that people have responded to it the way they have. Ive detained 2 people in past year since being cuff trained and police have been extremely greatful that when they arrive all they have to do is swap the cuffs with theirs. not once have i felt that im TRYING TO ACT LIKE A P.O!! if i wanted to do that i would join the police! why on earth should the fact because we use restraints were trying to be something we arent? and also i may add NOT EVERYONE a D.S deals with is a drunk or cokehead! so deataining them isnt as deiffucult as ur making it sound.

and my final comment is with reference to u saying that its our DUTY to call the police!! maybe u should realise that sometimes.. (majority) the police can take some time to get to the venue so if u want to keep an offender in a wrist hold or something and not use cuffs u be my guest..

TO ALL DOOR STAFF APPARENTLY IF U HAVE AN ISSUE AT WORK AND ITS GETTING OUT OF HAND U SHOULD CALL THE POLICE!!!

HAHA sorry but i find that funny...

conwy

Door staff in some venues have had handcuffs and the training to use them since 2004. In some areas the local Police have provided the training and in others, they are not too keen on providing training or the fact that DS have restraints. Every force has different views.

Belfort you are wrong in what you have stated. If DS have had the training and use the restraints in the right circumstances there are no problems. It is safer for the restrained person to be sat on the floor in handcuffs with one DS with them as a duty of care and to ensure they do not wander off, rather than three or four door staff holding the offender to the floor. It is safer for the lone Police officer when they turn up to just put their cuffs on the person and for the DS to remove theirs in turn as well.

Ben325

agreed

tomcity

send dates and location of courses in south west london if you have any please. and price.

Mark116

As an ex Copper I do not disagree with door supervisor's using restraints when 'NECESSARY' and it could be used throughout the Security industry. However, Police use the cuffs pretty much on a daily basis as an individual or as part of team and most fully understand the consequences if they break a limb whilst doing so. It could possibly end their career, there have been many incidents where suspects cuffed behind their back have died of asphyxia because of a medical condition. In some circumstances it is hard to tell whether someone is P***** or has mental health issues and do not realise what they are doing. They may have failed to take their medication or consumed a small amount of alcohol. There are some very responsible DS out there and some dire DS, I completed a DS course and then immediately did a CP. I felt I was in a position to justify saying the standard of the DS course needs to be raised, I feel it's too basic. It should include First Aid, restraint techniques, go deeper into legislation covering public order offences, Assaults, break it down into points to prove, statement writing, best evidence, because the more powers you give the security industry all the above have to be evidenced and there is of course accountability. In my experience it is not the Police who choose to prosecute it is the CPS they are under pressure from the government for successful convictions, the police officers are only evidence gatherers working under the instruction of the CPS.

I hope members take the positive's out of this has it has not been written to offend DS just remind them that with extra powers comes extra responsibility and accountability. We now live in a litigation culture where someone must be blamed. With CCTV everywhere and mobile phones one small mistake could be costly.


Merry Christmas.

Stoney

Mark, obviously one of the more balanced views on the subject, excellent.

Most professional DS are in agreement that the basic sia training is not enough by a long shot and try to attain more training so as to do the job to a high standard.

Because we'd rather not have a threat in our venues any longer than is needed, so would rather chuck 'em out first, but sometimes for their own safety and ours we must resort to these methods of restraint and most will only use cuffs in the most severe of cases (stabbings, serious assaults etc.)

All this said, as with any law enforcement job, there are people who abuse the system and that goes for some police officers as well as door supervisors.


Regards,
Stoney