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The use of handcuffs and restraints-
There has been much debate as to whether security operatives should use handcuffs or the new plastic restraints that are now available when effecting lawful arrests of violent people.
There is nothing in the law that says that security operatives can use handcuffs for restraining people, but nothing that says they cannot. Provided that they are only used when effecting a lawful arrest, and only on violent detainees, when they are absolutely necessary, to prevent escape or injury, then it is perfectly legal to use them.

The use of handcuffs is obviously a use of force, and therefore must be properly justified. Justification is achieved through establishing not only the legal right to use such equipment (ie when effecting a lawful arrest), but also through good objective grounds for so doing, in order to show that what was done was reasonable and necessary in the circumstances. The use of restraints may have to be justified to the police, the courts and possibly in civil actions.
This new one-day APRTM training programme will teach candidates how to use plastic restraints effectively, safely and within the strict rule of law.

Course content-
· The history of restraints
· Types of modern restraints
· Their use within the security industry
· Rules/laws governing their use
· Powers of arrest
· Conflict Resolution Model
· The risks involved
· Practical application
· Knowledge and practical assessment

What you get-
· 8-hours instruction and pre-read
· A set of double Key-Cuffs, key and belt holder
· 1 year insurance policy
· Example statements and ‘use of force’ forms
· 1 year “Skills for Security” certification

There are many instructors around the country so pm me for your nearest
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The use of handcuffs and restraints-
There has been much debate as to whether security operatives should use handcuffs or the new plastic restraints that are now available when effecting lawful arrests of violent people.
There is nothing in the law that says that security operatives can use handcuffs for restraining people, but nothing that says they cannot. Provided that they are only used when effecting a lawful arrest, and only on violent detainees, when they are absolutely necessary, to prevent escape or injury, then it is perfectly legal to use them.

The use of handcuffs is obviously a use of force, and therefore must be properly justified. Justification is achieved through establishing not only the legal right to use such equipment (ie when effecting a lawful arrest), but also through good objective grounds for so doing, in order to show that what was done was reasonable and necessary in the circumstances. The use of restraints may have to be justified to the police, the courts and possibly in civil actions.
This new one-day APRTM training programme will teach candidates how to use plastic restraints effectively, safely and within the strict rule of law.

Course content-
· The history of restraints
· Types of modern restraints
· Their use within the security industry
· Rules/laws governing their use
· Powers of arrest
· Conflict Resolution Model
· The risks involved
· Practical application
· Knowledge and practical assessment

What you get-
· 8-hours instruction and pre-read
· A set of double Key-Cuffs, key and belt holder
· 1 year insurance policy
· Example statements and ‘use of force’ forms
· 1 year “Skills for Security” certification

There are many instructors around the country so pm me for your nearest
Please my friend.. do not post such a thing in here. I am married to a police officer for years and my father in law is at Scotland Yard. Go and try to handcuff people around while doing door work or similar and you'll find out lots of trouble in your way, the law is deeper than you think. You are not a P.O. so don't try to play or act like you one, D.S. can use legal and reasonable force only and that's it. If you have any issue at work and it's getting a little out of hand, your duty is to call the Police, that's why they are in there for.
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The use of handcuffs and restraints-
There has been much debate as to whether security operatives should use handcuffs or the new plastic restraints that are now available when effecting lawful arrests of violent people.
There is nothing in the law that says that security operatives can use handcuffs for restraining people, but nothing that says they cannot. Provided that they are only used when effecting a lawful arrest, and only on violent detainees, when they are absolutely necessary, to prevent escape or injury, then it is perfectly legal to use them.

The use of handcuffs is obviously a use of force, and therefore must be properly justified. Justification is achieved through establishing not only the legal right to use such equipment (ie when effecting a lawful arrest), but also through good objective grounds for so doing, in order to show that what was done was reasonable and necessary in the circumstances. The use of restraints may have to be justified to the police, the courts and possibly in civil actions.
This new one-day APRTM training programme will teach candidates how to use plastic restraints effectively, safely and within the strict rule of law.

Course content-
· The history of restraints
· Types of modern restraints
· Their use within the security industry
· Rules/laws governing their use
· Powers of arrest
· Conflict Resolution Model
· The risks involved
· Practical application
· Knowledge and practical assessment

What you get-
· 8-hours instruction and pre-read
· A set of double Key-Cuffs, key and belt holder
· 1 year insurance policy
· Example statements and ‘use of force’ forms
· 1 year “Skills for Security” certification

There are many instructors around the country so pm me for your nearest
Please my friend.. do not post such a thing in here. I am married to a police officer for years and my father in law is at Scotland Yard. Go and try to handcuff people around while doing door work or similar and you'll find out lots of trouble in your way, the law is deeper than you think. You are not a P.O. so don't try to play or act like you one, D.S. can use legal and reasonable force only and that's it. If you have any issue at work and it's getting a little out of hand, your duty is to call the Police, that's why they are in there for.
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Please my friend.. do not post such a thing in here. I am married to a police officer for years and my father in law is at Scotland Yard. Go and try to handcuff people around while doing door work or similar and you'll find out lots of trouble in your way, the law is deeper than you think. You are not a P.O. so don't try to play or act like you one, D.S. can use legal and reasonable force only and that's it. If you have any issue at work and it's getting a little out of hand, your duty is to call the Police, that's why they are in there for.
Im very glad you have familys in the po,lice but please note that it is not illegal to carry cuffs the course is accredited by skills for security and as an active Doorsupervisor and handcuff instructor(which i am) you will find that if you do the course it has had police backing i dont know what experience you have but please look up a subject you are commenting on before you past judgemant
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Im very glad you have familys in the po,lice but please note that it is not illegal to carry cuffs the course is accredited by skills for security and as an active Doorsupervisor and handcuff instructor(which i am) you will find that if you do the course it has had police backing i dont know what experience you have but please look up a subject you are commenting on before you past judgemant
With all due respect... I really don't know what you are trying to get at. There's another post running already about this and checking the answers in there please. I've been done doors in the past for many years, but I am a CPO since 2002. First of all, it won't work as I don't know any drunk or coked up dickhead that is going just allow you to handcuff him. Second, it will take more than 2 to perform such an act, and most of those clubs don't have enough DS. You are stepping on a very thing ice in here if you decide - no matter who - to handcuff someone.. no matter what course you attended or certificate you have you will have a lot of explanation to do on what you are hanging around with handcuffs in the first place. If you are taking down to court by the victim - which most probably you will - any good prosecutor will put you down I guarantee it.With all due respect... I really don't know what you are trying to get at. There's another post running already about this and checking the answers in there please. I've been done doors in the past for many years, but I am a CPO since 2002. First of all, it won't work as I don't know any drunk or coked up dickhead that is going just allow you to handcuff him. Second, it will take more than 2 to perform such an act, and most of those clubs don't have enough DS. You are stepping on a very thing ice in here if you decide - no matter who - to handcuff someone.. no matter what course you attended or certificate you have you will have a lot of explanation to do on what you are hanging around with handcuffs in the first place. If you are taking down to court by the victim - which most probably you will - any good prosecutor will put you down I guarantee it.
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First of all, it won't work as I don't know any drunk or coked up dickhead that is going just allow you to handcuff him. Second, it will take more than 2 to perform such an act

Belfort, your quite correct in the first part of your sentence regarding 'Non-Compliant' subjects, however the last part I can only partially agree with.

Handcuffing a Non-Compliant subject can be done extremely effectively and successful by a single person who is properly trained in control and restraint techniques AND uses this training to its maximum effect to ensure a fast safe resolution to a situation and preventing further injury to the subject, officers and or the third parties involved.

Whilst single man takedowns are sometimes the only option, a second (Trained) person who can assist is preferred, by verbalisation and providing opposite side assistance to control the subject without hindering the 'Cuffing Officer' or interfering with technique or procedure.

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With all due respect... I really don't know what you are trying to get at. There's another post running already about this and checking the answers in there please. I've been done doors in the past for many years, but I am a CPO since 2002. First of all, it won't work as I don't know any drunk or coked up dickhead that is going just allow you to handcuff him. Second, it will take more than 2 to perform such an act, and most of those clubs don't have enough DS. You are stepping on a very thing ice in here if you decide - no matter who - to handcuff someone.. no matter what course you attended or certificate you have you will have a lot of explanation to do on what you are hanging around with handcuffs in the first place. If you are taking down to court by the victim - which most probably you will - any good prosecutor will put you down I guarantee it.With all due respect... I really don't know what you are trying to get at. There's another post running already about this and checking the answers in there please. I've been done doors in the past for many years, but I am a CPO since 2002. First of all, it won't work as I don't know any drunk or coked up dickhead that is going just allow you to handcuff him. Second, it will take more than 2 to perform such an act, and most of those clubs don't have enough DS. You are stepping on a very thing ice in here if you decide - no matter who - to handcuff someone.. no matter what course you attended or certificate you have you will have a lot of explanation to do on what you are hanging around with handcuffs in the first place. If you are taking down to court by the victim - which most probably you will - any good prosecutor will put you down I guarantee it.
As a employer and consultant for 1 of the largest D/S companys in the country and 14 years on the door(Thought id tell you that seeing you did) i have cuffed 9 non complient own each have been arrested and convicted i have been attempted to be sued twice and because im P.A.T.H trained and A.P.R trained and have full insurance i have been favoured by the courts sugest again you look more into this subject or at least tell us what experience you have or trainining in this subject as your just basically saying its wrong i quote you
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Have to agree with the last post, i am a qualified APR instructor, deliver the course and am fully aware of the laws relating to their use.
If anything, Police officers arriving to a situation where a violent suspect has already been detained and is cuffed prefer to convey them already subdued than attempt to restrain them themselves. This is only my personal opinion but it is an informed opinion, not second hand from conversations with family and inlaws. Perhaps your old man and his Dad should have a quick look at the legislation before passing incorrect info onto you.
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I have used restraints many times and have never been questioned by the UK police, even though most police forces see doormen as an easy target for prosecution.

Having been on both the P.A.T.H and A.P.R courses, I agree that whilst it is easier to apply restraints using two people, cuffs can be applied by one person without too much difficulty.

"I've been done doors in the past for many years, but I am a CPO since 2002. First of all, it won't work as I don't know any drunk or coked up dickhead that is going just allow you to handcuff him"

I have never had anyone that has agreed to be cuffed, and I've only ever had to use cuff's on people who were behaving in an extremely aggresive and violent manner.

I do however find it hard to believe that someone who has "
done doors in the past for many years" cannot use non traumatic techniques to incapacitate the subject, prior to the application of mechanical restraints.

"Second, it will take more than 2 to perform such an act,"..............What world do you live in;"Land of the Giants".
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