A.p.r Handcuff Course

rickbudo

Hi Littlewoman

More than happy to be your friend. Thanks for the updated information regarding the legal use of handcuffs for security personnell. The grey area where mostly opinions are offered, rather than confirmed facts, is created because the sia guidelines on 'use of reasonable force' is only addressed in theory in the licensing course and then again, only very briefly. Most course instructors advise canidates who inquire more about the issue to 'call the police in the event of a problem' and leave it there. This is a reasonable 'classroom' answer and in some instances( eg a major melee or mini-riot at the door), is really the only option but for the basic job of controlling or breaking up fighting patrons and evicting them or holding them for police arrest in more serious cases involving assault, ABH or GBH, a physical skills curriculum, including handcuffing techniques, that is sanctioned by the SIA as part of its licencing requirements would solidify the DS course and clear up any misconceptions about what can and cannot be done by licenced DSs on the job. It would also bring the industry in line under one set of guidelines for the use of force on the job that would have to lead to more public confidence in the role of the door supervisor. I know that is asking for a lot in one go but hopefully there will be some progress in this area. Thanks for all your extremely useful information.

80085

I have been on rigid h/c course, I found it useful, but my personal opinion is, that its just not worth the hassle of using cuffs if the druken moorons are struggling once cuffs are on and then accuse of Assult and wrongful arrest, its prob more hassle than its worth. There is also question of insurance, as most Door Supervision companies wont do group insurance, and ask you to get your own. Its bad enough as it is some nights without the added worry of being sued by some drunken scroat cause he has a bruise on his arm from cuffs. Hope this helps

littlewoman

As I have pointed out before the APR course includes insurance. Also there's a big difference between the rigid cuffs and the APR ones. There's plenty of scope for injuring people with rigid cuffs, it would be very hard to injure them with the APR ones.

80085

Hi littlewomen, Im trying to get hold of a pic of APR cuffs and where can I get hold of of any course details. I guess there is no harm in having both courses under my belt.
Thanks

littlewoman

look at Andy W's post on the previous page it has a link to the website and he is the man that developed the training, so he is the one to talk to.

80085

fank uoo LW

Belfort

You DO NOT go around handcuffing people.. period! No matter who they are, only Police officers and some special units are allowed to do it, and under certain circumstancies only.

It's actually shocking that are people still debating about it.

praetorian550

ACPO the Chief Police Officers association do endorse this course.

I am a licensed instructor and the course is endorsed by skills for security. alongside the course insurance is sold- mandatory as per the ACPO guidelines. I have only taught it so far to a few Armed forces setups as an add on to predeployment training and a 'parks Police' structure. The 3 security courses was 1 cp, 1 prisoner escort service and a firm working on cruiseliners/ferries.

It is modelled on the Officer Safety package ( National Training Module 3) and must be renewed every year as with Police forces.
It is a great resource in certain areas.

The course is owned by Andy Walker ex police.

I do however understand reservations about this sort of training.
It is as with so much what people do withi t rather than the training itself that will be the problem either real or perceived

UKBG99

The best way to avoid problems with handcuffing is to attend an ACCREDITED course. Many companies offer training, but all you get is their own certificate. The course run by ABAVUS is accredited and leads to a formal vocational qualification. Check it out at : Abavus Limited
Also they only use instructors who are still in the police, as opposed to retired. That means you get the most up-to-date training by REAL professionals!

K9-CPO

What is shocking is that you are so sure of yourself.


Andy W posted comprehensive information about where restraint devices stand in the eyes of the law.
Yet you've came up with a completely wrong statement:’’ Only Police officers and some specials units are allowed to do it’’. What a joke!

I would suggest you to study the law before you make such statements. Ignorance is not an excuse.