Key-holding. How it works??

[Lietuvis]

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Originally Posted by Marcus2RRF 5/Detain or apprehend burglars or vandals as the police call out may not be available

Isn't it illegal to detain someone in UK ?

[tazape]

yes they can hold your keys however the security do not know which is which, they are all numbered in a locked cabinet inside the van etc or at an office, the recieving centre then tells the security the number of the keys to get (they are the only ones with that number), they break the seal which is numbered and then once replaced in the unti they reseal it, they have to account for each seal that theyuse thatnight and it must corresponde with the callout sheets. If there is a break in then as marcus said. There is an option for them to be an escort only service wherby they meet the designated keyholder onsite at a pre arranged time.
Some companies want there keyholders to be notified even if it is a false alarm, just incase it might be a come on. (this has happened in the past where someone has set the system off and the security has then been attacked at site once the premises has been opened).

[tazape]

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Originally Posted by Lietuvis Isn't it illegal to detain someone in UK ?

No its not illegal to detain, check out the PACE act powers of arrest and SOCAPA ACT ammended powers of arrest it is a right of every citizen to be able to make a citizens arrest.

[Lietuvis]

yes i know about the citizens arrest,but seems security over here has less powers then others

[Marcus2RRF]

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Originally Posted by Lietuvis Isn't it illegal to detain someone in UK ?

Nope anybody can make a citizens arrest

Power of Arrest

· Sections 24 and 25 and of PACE are replaced by a new section 24 and section 24A – as amended by sections 110 & 111 and Schedule 7 of SOCAPA.
· The effect of the changes is to replace the concept of seriousness with a test of necessity. From 1 January 2006, all offences will carry the power of arrest. A lawful arrest will require two elements:

- a person’s involvement or suspected involvement or attempted involvement in the commission of a criminal offence

AND

- Reasonable grounds for believing that then person’s arrest is necessary

· The necessity criteria are set out in detail in paragraphs 2.4 to 2.9 of PACE Code G. The criteria are that the arrest is necessary to:

- obtain the name and/ or address of the person and be satisfied with the information provided
- prevent the person in question:

(i) causing physical injury to himself or any other person;
(ii) suffering physical injury ;
(iii) causing loss or damage to property;
(iv) committing an offence against public decency; or
(v) causing an unlawful obstruction of the highway;

- protect a child or other vulnerable person from the person in question
- allow the prompt and effective investigation of the offence or of the
conduct of the person in question
- to prevent any prosecution for the offence from being hindered by the
disappearance of the person in question.

· When considering the need to arrest the officer should take the following into account; the situation of the victim; the nature of the offence; the circumstances of the offender and the needs of the investigation.
· Arrest must never be used simply because it can be used. The use of the power must be fully justified and officers exercising the power should consider whether the necessary objectives can be met by other, less intrusive means, such as summons, fixed penalty notice, penalty notice for disorder; or by using street bail following arrest rather than taking the person to the police station. Recording requirements are set out in section 4 of Code G.

[tazape]

To be honest we have quite a lot of power when it comes to making an arrest, it just depends if you know the LAW correctly, as a private Citizen you have more powers of detentin than the PCSO's that are floating around. Do not get me started on them, i am walking away from my soap box now.

[valleyboy]

Hello Lietuvis

It seems you are not very happy with the circumstances you find your self in, may I suggest a career change

[Marcus2RRF]

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Originally Posted by Lietuvis Isn't it illegal to detain someone in UK ?

Erm no mate we have a law that comes under the old pace act