Some Questions On ARV's

[nobbynobbs]

Originally Posted by co19

Rob and Greek you obviously know better than me from doing many handover exercises and know the capabilities of police SFO teams etc so we will take it as you say.

A seige is a seige is a seige, its not the 1980s and lewis collins will not be the first call

Hahaha - nicely put

I do remember being told by one of our instructors that SFO's in C019 have got more 'live' experience of dynamic entries etc than members of the SAS.

[co19]

They average about 5 a week operationally, plus all the training ones they do.

[Steve Collins]

Posted by Nobbynobs:

CO19 can only be involved in a cross-border operation with the authority of the local Chief Constable or by direct involvement of the Home Secretary. They may be invited by the CC if their TFU is not equiped to deal with a specific operation.

Actually, unless things have changed dramatically there are always exceptions to the rule. When I was with PT17 / SO19 if we were in gunships in support of one of the squads on a mobile Surveillance that went out of the Met we could follow. It was the duty of the OIC to inform that force. In a few instances things did go wrong before that message could be conveyed and the County force didn't know teams were in their area (i.e The Woodhatch shooting in Surrey) I have been on quite a lot of these type of scenarios.

With regard to SF taking over on a major terrorist hostage rescue let's not forget that they can't just go in and take over. The Senior police officer on the ground has to officially request their intervention in writing, and as soon as the incident is over it must be handed back to the police.

[Dazza445]

Sorry, just out of curiosity.. .are you THE Steve Collins?

[nobbynobbs]

Originally Posted by Steve Collins

Posted by Nobbynobs:

CO19 can only be involved in a cross-border operation with the authority of the local Chief Constable or by direct involvement of the Home Secretary. They may be invited by the CC if their TFU is not equiped to deal with a specific operation.

Actually, unless things have changed dramatically there are always exceptions to the rule. When I was with PT17 / SO19 if we were in gunships in support of one of the squads on a mobile surveillance that went out of the Met we could follow. It was the duty of the OIC to inform that force. In a few instances things did go wrong before that message could be conveyed and the County force didn't know teams were in their area (i.e The Woodhatch shooting in Surrey) I have been on quite a lot of these type of scenarios.

With regard to SF taking over on a major terrorist hostage rescue let's not forget that they can't just go in and take over. The Senior police officer on the ground has to officially request their intervention in writing, and as soon as the incident is over it must be handed back to the police.

Fair enough comment

Just to clarify I was referring to planned cross-border ops, rather than a live operation that drifts into another force area.

Cheers

[sentinel]

I have worked with people whoare straight out of their probation and been accepted in to 19; what a nightmare!
Get some time in. Get some experience of life and Police work. There are no shortcuts, not even for dieting.
It matters not what your background is, police firearms work is different.
If you want credibility and respect from your team, you need to put the work in.

[Steve Collins]

Originally Posted by Dazza445

Sorry, just out of curiosity.. .are you THE Steve Collins?

Dazza445

Yes, In a previous life!
Regards,
Steve

[sentinel]

It's not his real name, you know. It's a nom de plume, taken in honour of Ross Kemp's dad, Lewis.

[Treeforg]

Hi Steve
Tall lanky bloke here from Bristol used to be 2 I/c on Blue Team, with the "Scottish Mc P.S."
Oh by the way I never did get the Royalties cheque for the photo of my Left Danner Boot in your excellent book mate, Ah well another dance with fame lost , story of my life.
Hope your well and enjoying life

[Steve Collins]

Treeforg

Amazing who lurks around on these sites. It was great seeing you at the reunion in December you never change. By the way nice boot!

Regards,
Steve