JayLiver

Hi all

This maybe a stupid question but I'm kind of confused I have a sia License in Door Supervision and next I am looking to Advance on to the Close Protection License. But I have looked on different Course Providers websites and they confused me. Some say you need Military or Police Experience to even be considered for the course. Some say you don't I'm just wondering which is true? I am very much interested in going into Close Protection. And have never been in any Military or Police forces. And would it be alot harder to get work if I get the License if I have no Military or Police experience


Any information will be helpfull and appreciated

Thanks

Jay

Carl Dowd

Jayliver...I would suggest to you that it would not be in any company's interest to refuse your interest or application...call it what you will, to be placed on their particular training course.

Obtaining work or a position post the delivery and receipt of training is, I feel a different matter of which I am sure you shall receive oodles of advice.

There are training providers on this website...consider contacting them for a chat about your training prospects.

Trust this helps.

ATB

Carl Dowd

JayLiver

Hi Carl

Thank you for your advice. It's well appreciated


Jay

littlewoman

Some companies will only accept ex-military on courses as they don't want to go over stuff like radio procedure, phonetic alphabet and map reading for people that haven't done it before. There are also companies that won't give you jobs unless you ex-mil or even ex certain regiments (paras, marines etc.) They seem to think that someone who was a chef in the paras is going to be better than someone with years of experience as a DS.
Some companies, will accept people with previous security experience (some companies will accept anyone). If you don't have military or police experience then getting on a course that has a good reputation will be all important. I would suggest that you contact some of the employers that don't do courses and ask them what courses they rate.
If you see a course you want but they say they only accept ex-mil then email them outlining your experience and skills and ask if they would accept you.

mickworldwide

Hi JayLiver

One of the reasons why many companies will only accept ex mil or ex bill is because they are usually easier to place in work after the courses. Also as answered above they are trained in Nav and comms and in fairness they are already used to working in teams and taking orders/ carrying out instructions ...

There are others who will take you with other relevant security experience....

Personally I am in favour of training anyone who is capable , but they must understand that their chances of employment are lower than that of those with relevant backgrounds and experience (Mil/Bill / Security)

We do however set out criteria for firearms and HECPO, as this is a different skill set altogether and if a person has absolutely no background then these skills will be of no use to them as their chances of work are slim to be frank.

I am not saying that a person with no Security Forces background is any less able to perform the task , but the truth is that they are few and far between in the HE side of work and as such will always struggle unless they have excellent network skills and loads of mates vouching for them.

Back to the CP question , I would recommend you call Brummie from Regal Security Training , he is a good old geezer and will give you no BS advice on your chances and course details.

As for checking with employers.... this is easy enough done for HE CP , but as there are so many ECP employers you may find as long a list of preferences as there are CP Training Providers.

Good Luck

Carl Dowd

Jay contact Meido training...this is an organisation I would suggest to you that understands the intracacies of Discrimination and Fair play within business.

Remember my previous comments on this forum: Being a good Soldier etc etc does not always translate into being a good businessman or good project manager.

I am certain that if you want or wish to part with your cash in order to improve your chances and PERHAPS further your career and of course you are a grown up, then someone out there with some common sense will pick up the mantle.

THEY won't make any promises to you about further or future employment but I would suggest to you that they would be in a position to discuss your requirements with regard to extra or pre-course training to bring you up to a minimum standard.

Mate...Radio procedure is not Rocket Science! dont allow it to become a barrier..

Trust this helps...

Carl

Carl Dowd

PS. Jay if a company or training provider discriminated against me for whatever reason, then I absolutely guarantee you that they would never, ever... see the colour of my money...

Scab

Do you even have the vaguest idea what you are talking about? Someone looking for people in a certain regiment is going to be looking for the teeth of that regiment or a specific skill if they favour a support roled unit. Years of experience as a DS means you have years of experience as a DS. You might have a knack for spotting a potential trouble maker after years of experience as a DS but it does not mean you have the disciplined forces background that even a military chef would have and it does not mean that years of experience as a DS means your going to be any good as a CP operator, they are utterly different roles.

shakespeare

I agree with those companies you refer to. A para chef will have done P Company training, worked as part of a fighting unit and knows how to gell as part of a team. In fact on a job I know of, the TL was a Para Chef.

Besides, having someone knock up a range stew out of twigs and dust in the middle of nowhere is good for morale; a door supervisor with a chip on their shoulder such as yourself, is not.

I would think very carefully before you start to slate ex-military who have served their Country.

littlewoman

I'm sure there are many ex-mil who have done roles such as chef, mechanic etc. who are very good at their job (ie in CP work). However I happened to work with one ex para chef who was a complete waste of space and got binned from the job. He spent his whole time reading newspapers and magazines when he was meant to be watching for intruders. I'm just saying that just because someone once served their country does not guarantee they'll be good at their job. Equally because someone hasn't, doesn't mean they be crap at it. I've been in my current Rst job for over 3 months now and I've seen a few ex-mil types not get invited to stay. There are two of us who are ex-DS, there were also some ex-DS who weren't suitable.

As someone else said radio procedure isn't rocket science, its pretty easy to pick up (unless you're going to be in an environment where you're using code books). You don't have to be ex-mil to be able to navigate either, some civies can read maps. There are other jobs where people are used to working as a team, taking instructions and working under pressure.